General Category > French Sandcasts
More and more surprising!! VIN-1014046/E-1014138
rickhahn:
I would like to add my thought's to this debate.We all know that Honda changed to Dye cast cases at a certain time / date simply because of costs and time involved in sandcast moulding, They could not keep up Production with the World Wide demand for the 750 which they did not really anticipate. The changes to the first bikes 0-300 and 300 -1000 and 1000-2000 and so on shows that they were in a hurried state with development / production ,hence all the confusion we have with the early Vin's. So in saying that on the day they changed production to dyecast cases there must have been a overlap in production of sand castcast cases,as to cover production while they perfected the dyecast system. This overlap could have been used later on simply to keep up production as the demand grew and use all the old stock cases .
Steve Swan:
and i've heard distribution of cb750's to France was delayed or behind schedule...... ?
cb7504:
I lived in Japan for several years in the early 70's through mid 80's while there i tried to purchase some of the Honda specialty tools to work on my Honda motorcycles. The only way i could get them was to have my Japanese friend order them through his dealership. Private parties were not allowed to purchase Honda specialty tools. One of the items i tried to buy was the dye set used to stamp the vin /serial numbers. Honda would not even let dealerships purchase them. If you look at other re-stamped replacement cases it is pretty easy to tell they are not the same as the Honda font. If i remember correctly there was a CB750 at the mid Ohio get together in 2009 that had replacement cases with the vin stamped on the lower right side of the cylinders. Marty K.
Steve Swan:
Thanks Marty, for sharing your first hand experience attempting to purchase vin stamps.
it makes sense Honda would not release vin stamps and does reinforce the idea only the factory issued and stamped vins at the time of vehicle manufacture.
it also makes sense the factory would record these vins and keep records what countries, what distributors vins were released to. and i would imagine, distributors kept records what vins were shipped to what dealers and dealers kept records what vins were sold to what retail buyer.
factory/distributors/dealers keeping/tracking/managing vin records makes sense for a number of reasons... 1. sales, 2. warranty, 3. recall, 4. service and 5. legal
Honda (or any vehicle manufacturer) not releasing vin stamps would be be a way to not only manage/track accuracy of distribution and record activity of units, but also contain liability for legal risks such as theft, malfunction, defects. i can understand Honda would not want ANYONE other than the factory assigning or altering vins. (a few years back, an altered Evin in factory font was discovered. perhaps KP has this picture of this vin, as i know he collects pictures of vin stampings.)
the above logic would seem to lend credibility the "French sandcast" vins are factory authentic. personally, i've always assumed the factory issued these "French sandcasts" vins.
we only have ONE "French sandcast" vin in the VIN Directory. it would be really nice if we had EVERY known frame/engine "French sandcast" vin.
Can our French brothers put together as complete a record as possible of "French sandcast" frame/engine vins know to exist ???
ps - machine at 2009 meet; Steve Frampton of Canada had the 325 framed bike with a set of replacement cases also stamped with 325 on the right side of cylinders. the frame font was factory; the font on cylinders was not.
Steve Swan:
a little off topic, but Chris R recorded in the VIN Directory, the factory altered vin i was thinking of.... "926/952 Eng# factory altered from 951"
i KNOW we had pictures of this factory altered vin and i am CERTAIN there is a discussion of this vin buried SOMEWHERE in this DB..... (i looked for the thread, but cannot find it.)
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