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Review of VIN'S For Directory / Re: 7/E90 now in VIN Directory
« on: April 04, 2022, 03:20:09 am »
Thanks Wayne, I will inform you as soon as I have the right numbers, but the seller don't answer my messages ...  :(

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Review of VIN'S For Directory / Re: 7/E90 now in VIN Directory
« on: April 03, 2022, 05:22:10 pm »
Yes, it's possible, I am waiting for the answer of the seller about frame and engine numbers ...

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Review of VIN'S For Directory / Re: 7/E90 now in VIN Directory
« on: April 03, 2022, 02:05:40 am »
Yes, that's strange that paint on the seat pan !
No requirement about import into France, I don't know why all these change were made ?
I'll ask the seller to send me more information and detailed pics and I come back here  ;)

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Review of VIN'S For Directory / Re: 7/E90 now in VIN Directory
« on: April 02, 2022, 02:48:13 am »
Some news about this bike 7/E90, it seems to be for sale in France, you can see the ad here https://www.lesanciennes.com/annonce/honda-cb-750-four-k0-1969-a497133?ftype=vo&fcat=motos&q=Honda&rt=o
Did you know it was in France ?

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Brakes / Re: Master front brake cylinder with a window for the level...
« on: November 22, 2017, 04:43:29 am »
The very first CB750 were delivered in France in september or october 1969, this doesn't concern the "special sandcast" series 14XXX and 17XXX.

This internal technical note from Honda France is interesting as it confirms that the very first CB750 delivered in september or october 1969 were fitted with this strange master-cylinder, but modified by Honda dealers with the "new master-cylinder" before to be delivered to the customer.

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Woowww, interesting new facts about French sandcasts, so these bikes were not produced as batch of several identical machines but randomly !  :o

And Gérard, congratulations for you X-files picture, that's perfectly fit !

Private message for Gérard : happy to see your arrival on the French cb500four.com forum !   ;)

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I don't know if it's the French touch, but a very interesting discussion for sure !  :D

As you say Gérard, the aim of Honda France in 1970 was to deliver a lot of CB750's and answer to the retailers demands.
Sandcast or diecast engine was absolutely not the problem, and what is today for us a very important point was only a detail for the Honda France employees at the moment. So I am not surprised if they forgot the information very quickly and did not mention this fact to Eric Breton ...

I often dream to have the possibility to read Honda France archives from the 60's and 70's, if they are always existing. I am trying to write an article about the beginning of Honda in France, but Psalty's heirs are very hard to find, it seems he had only a daughter who probably married and used his husband's name. I have many documents and information about the difficult relationship between Honda and Psalty between 1961 and 1967, when they lost their "exclusive importer" status, but no precise idea of sales level during these years.

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Thanks kp for your comment !  ;)

I would be very surprised if Honda Japan did not informed Honda France about these bikes !
When we see the details and precision of the parts-list edited by Honda Japan, I can't believe that Honda France had not the information as these bikes didn't appear in the parts-list ...
And Honda France probably informed the retailers by an internal note (Service Bulletins) ?

Gerard, why do you think that these bikes could be a problem for Honda France ?
Are diecast engine better than sandcast engine ?

At least I am sure that any mechanics from Honda retailers immediately saw the difference between a sandcast and a diecast, maybe some customers too  :D

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My advice about these French Sandcasts is that Honda had big problems with diecast production delay following the incredible success of the CB750, and so decided to produce some sandcast engines. Decision to sell these bikes only in one country is understandable as it's easier to inform the after-sale services of one country. Why Honda has chosen France for these bikes will remain a mistery !

But I think that all other parts of these bikes were the same that the diecast machines produced at this time, as single cut front guard, unwrinkled tanks and so on.

KP :  cream coloured horn were specific to the French market, all Hondas of the era had the same horn in France !
I contact my friend and sak him for pictures of VIN number and details  :)
I'll post them here in low-res, it would be possible to send them by email in hi-res if interested.

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Some pics of this bike I already had in my PC :








That CB750 was sold new in Lyon (France) by Pithioud, and customized by its owner with Melber rims and oil thermometer.

What pictures of details did you want Steve ?

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I was with my friend Franck in 2013 when he bought such a 750, sandcast engine #1 017 417, and I can say that the tank was not wrinkled !

I don't remind the VIN number of that bike, but it seems to me that it was not 1 017 272 as listed above, I can ask him a picture and others pictures if you are interested by some details  :)

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First exclusive importer in France was "Ets Psalty" in Paris, in 1961, under the direction of "European Honda Motor Trading Gmbh" established in Hamburg (Germany).
Yes Gerard, as I said bikes were imported in France by Psalty via Hamburg in Germany.

Thanks for posting these pictures, maybe you could thank the original poster of these pics, www.zseft-zundapp.com  ;)

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Steve, Psalty was the oldest Honda dealer in France, but has ceased its activity today.
And he became Yamaha exclusive during the 80's after a falling out with Honda France ...

I think one of the oldest Honda dealer in France, always in activity, is Japauto in Paris, and Pithioud in Lyon.

edit : benjixt is right, Werther is probably the oldest Honda dealer in France, Japauto and Pithioud started with Honda in 1967 or 1968 ...

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Gerard, Japauto never was a Honda importer, he was only a dealer, Honda bikes were imported by Honda France and sold by a large dealership network in France.

First exclusive importer in France was "Ets Psalty" in Paris, in 1961, under the direction of "European Honda Motor Trading Gmbh" established in Hamburg (Germany). Honda France was created in Paris in 1964, Psalty lost partially his exclusivity in 1965, and totally in 1967.

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K0 French sales :
543 in 1969
1250 in 1970
total : 1793

Worldwide sales : near 53 000

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