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Parts For Sale / 1969 CB750 K0 Frame #9394 and Motor #9360 For Sale
« on: May 11, 2013, 03:22:05 pm »
Frame #9394 for sale, clean and clear CA regular title. Motor #9360 for sale, runs good and has 25k miles. Serious offers will be considered. Text me at 402.612.8001 for fastest reply (I miss a lot of calls). Shipping is via Fastenal, you will have to collect at the nearest store. Frame will be well padded, motor will be drained and crated.

http://youtu.be/mOUd7C9CtQc

http://youtu.be/ZS1MqPxfrro

Tear down has not yet begun, but will very soon. ONLY the motor and frame are for sale at this point. The frame will be bare and the title is included. The motor will consist of the entire assembly including all covers. The carbs, exhaust flanges, oil lines, etc will not be included. Please, no low ball offers. Thanks for looking.

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: January 29, 2013, 12:49:59 am »
hi keith,

sure pm me or call me tomorrow at 4o2 612 8oo1 anytime after noon

i have to get back to work and make some $  ;)

all un-needed parts from 93xx will be sold off to help pay for the resto, selling stuff on evilbay doesn't pay all that well but i get to stay home with my little kids  ;D

i was an electrical foreman in another life, but the economy went pretty sour for construction, selling parts is what i do!

cheers, john

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: January 29, 2013, 12:23:16 am »
hi everybody,

well the sandcast got pushed into my warehouse... i have suffered from a huge rash of breakdowns this last year. furnace/ac/vehicles/home repairs/kitchen appliances etc etc etc it seems everything crapped out all at once. between repairs and remodels, i have given every extra minute to my 2 year old and 4 year old. i pretty much had no choice but to put off any work on the old sandy. it was with a heavy heart that i trailered it to my warehouse and put it under a cover, a couple of months ago.

lo and behold, tonight i decided to get on evilbay and see if any early k0's were up for sale. i don't quite have the time to devote to the resto yet, but pretty much wanted to keep the fire burning. well well, i found an early k0 #93xx out in cali, for a reasonable price, and went ahead and bought her. all original with wrinkle tank/ducktail seat/double cut fender, all the goodies i need to breathe life into my old girl.

now, finally, i can move ahead! i have spent the last hour poring over numbers... after selling all the chopper stuff off my sandy i think i will just about break even... so, for $0 i will have the frame neck, motor, gauges, front wheel, carbs, and a few other things. i will break down #93xx all the way, and sell off all of the parts i don't need, after doing so i will be into the start of this project for around $2500. i have to get the frame welding and painting done, the tins all painted, sure there will be some more cash out of pocket, but holy toledo for $2500 i will basically have a whole fairly early sand cast (albeit in parts) which i would have never dreamed was possible! and the motor is intact and runs on my sandie!

for the first time in about a year it seems my luck isn't bad!!  ;D

will surely be seeking the boards advice in the coming months, and will be posting pics all along the way!

yipee!

cheers, john

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Links to Auctions and Classifieds / Re: Fake Fender Mudguard
« on: September 17, 2012, 11:40:16 pm »
not even a good fake, thanks for the heads up!

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unfortunatley i have no pics of me on the kawasaki 1968 g2tr "road runner" 120cc bike i grew up on  :P

if i can get my scanner to work i will post some of me from that "era" and now, fun idea!

40 some years ago, remember it like yesterday, two stroke oil burning, black lab barking, neighbor kids looking on in envy, haha

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 17, 2012, 11:27:59 pm »
haw haw, thanks guys  ;D

been really busy breaking in the new helper. saw another k0 on ebay, it was too far from being correct so i passed. the frame should be here any time. i will probably be pulling the motor this week or next, kinda nice to have extra hands. will maybe build a crate for it so i can flip it over and get the oil pan off. i already know what it is gonna look like  :o since i have torn down 3-4 k2 motors. might as well get some stuff done on the motor as i am waiting for the frame. plan is:

1) get frame welding done, paint done, swing arm mounted

2) slap k2 front clip and rear wheel on temporarily, so i can roll it around

3) drop cleaned and adjusted motor in frame

4) wait for the right k0 to come along for donor parts

5) wait some more, everyone seems to think non-correct k0's are worth a ton of money right now

hey... one question... i KNOW a wet cell battery is CORRECT but it seems to make sense to put a mf dry cell in. the wet ones can sure make a mess. opinions?? what do you guys run?? hate to see acid drip on new paint!

cheers, john

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 11, 2012, 12:20:47 am »
hi steven,

you are welcome for the pics, i will take lots more as time passes.

been super busy, hired a new helper for the shop. been working my fingers to the bone. time for some help. been working solo for about a year, so it was time.

i actually called this guy in nc, a nice guy he was... BUT although he wouldn't tell me the exact reserve, i think it was over 8 large. i got some quotes from uship for around $500. i'm not too sure the bike would have been worth $9000 delivered to my door. as for the frame, it was nice and around 10xxx but it had a chrome triple clamp/swing arm/oil tank. one exhaust pipe had a hole. the ducktail seat was hardened. the motor # was not correct. the carbs were k1 or k2. both side covers and the airbox were cracked. it had a few k1/k2/k? parts mixed in with it. the paint was smudged. i am NOT nitpicking a 1970 bike... but at 9 g's i would have expected the "list" to be shorter. i was thinking more like $6k or $7k tops but the seller made it clear that it wasn't enough to meet reserve price so i didn't even bid. the reserve might have even been $10k. i am not sure. i just didn't feel the "bang factor". it was and is a super nice bike, but it was not original. plus i was kind of worried about just how MANY k2 parts were on the bike. oh yeah it had a k2 front brake too, heck i already have 3 of those. man if i spend 10 large on a k0 it seems it should have EVERY part i need, plus make me back some $$$ on the motor. oh yeah, i think the k0 seller had maybe $3-4000 in motor work alone. but it was a higher number motor not an early k0. maybe i could have flipped the motor for $5k but i doubt it.

was thinking of making a chopper out of all the old cb750 chopper parts i have  ;) but heck, i just got my head shaved since i don't have time to comb my hair. as much as i would like to build a chopper along with the sandie i guess it ain't going to happen. anyways thanks for the heads up, i am looking for a clean k0 for sure. be super nice to find one that didn't have $$$ worth of pro motor work done.

cheers, john

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 04, 2012, 10:44:44 pm »
thanks steve... i have $7k to drop on the tins and stuff if i want to... the numbers were making me nervous a bit. just from an investment view. i mean... i have two little kids, got remarried later in life. if sumthin' happened to the old dogg... well i would want to think that i would leave some assets for them to LIVE on that a pile of pretty TINS and such that are worth 50 cents on the dollar.

i'm not flipping the bike. i was actually thinking of the anamosa iowa national motorcycle museum, i don't think they have a sand cast. i was thinking of a 10 year loan or something. it's certainly not going to be a rider. i have plenty of modern bikes to ride on the cheap. it's totally being done as a prized possession that should be admired.

mr. swan... let me ask you this directly. i am going to fully doc the resto, just to be clear. i have the bike in pristine condition. you want to add it to your collection. would you pay the full value? remember, the frame is NOT 100% original. it has been cut and welded. THAT is what worries me the most. the repaired frame. is the bike now worth $12k?

anyways thanks for the advice, i think i will wait on the tins and such. would have been real nice to put the ears on now. i have never cared to work on the cb750 forks, royal pita imho.i love the way they look but hate to take the ears on and off. was really trying to think ahead on stuff like that. will probably just keep an eye out for a k0 donor. hope to get it running soon though.  having the tin set would be really nice (btw i think the sand cast was never gold, but i sure like the look) and figure the yamiya's were the way to go. do they detract from the value though?? over original and oem parts?? ???

cheers, john

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 04, 2012, 04:39:41 pm »
man i'm having a hard time deciding what to do. afraid of dumping too much $$ on high end repop stuff. it's so hard to research what these bikes are worth. i think i might be better off waiting for a complete k0 parts bike. might have to get this thing to a roller state and hold off until one is found. feeling kind of uneasy about putting too much $$ into her. the yamiya stuff sure looks nice but dang he sure is proud of it. don't get very many parts for $7k, do you? oh well, haven't even began to tear 1767 down yet. anybody have a clean k0 parts bike in the $300 range? oh you need to be within maybe 400 miles or so hehe  ::) anyways this project isn't even started yet and i'm already getting a headache... thinking now of maybe taking the frame repairs first and slowly collecting what all i need. an any advice on k2 compatability would be much appreciated. and is there any option other than the $2k+ repop pipes? i have a set of k2's with some rust holes, i have no idea if they can be restored. i already know they aren't correct and all. i'm just really feeling uneasy about this thing becoming a money pit. it's just missing sooooo many key components. the last thing i want to do is roll it back into a dark corner and let it sit for years. oh well anyways i better get to work. trying to make some room so i can begin 1767's tear down in the next couple weeks. cheers.

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Links to Auctions and Classifieds / Re: Sandcast Engine 4252 On ebay
« on: September 04, 2012, 03:25:06 pm »
i don't know who won the motor but i offered the seller (listing said no shipping) i think $1400 shipped and he said "ok" but when i asked for pics of primary sprocket area to see if it had chain damage, he never wrote back...  ::)

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 04, 2012, 11:49:45 am »
main missing pieces, advice is welcome!!

1-- full set of tins

2-- seat

3-- exhaust

4-- rear rolled rim and spoke set

5-- fenders

6-- forks

7-- triple clamps

8-- turn signals

9-- mirrors

10-- petcock/cap

thanks in advance for any tips!!

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 04, 2012, 11:43:45 am »
John, it's easy enough to upload pics from your own file/library/"my pictures"  w/o going to the trouble of photo bucket.  If i can upload pics to the discussion board from my pictures, anybody can.  It's true.  Ask KP or Wayne.

i'm so envious of that thin lip alt.cover, i need to put a bib on.

ok steve, i will get it figured out soon.

and thanks... it's nice to know something on this old girl is so valueable.

ok... i need to start looking ahead, and i need some advice here. please!! i have 3 sets of k2 forks. 2 sets have longer "chopper" tubes. the other set looks dingy and dull but just cosmetics, they look to be very original and in good shape for rebuilding. i am having trouble finding any info on forks. i see on the fiches that there are two different models for k0... assuming early and late? the "late" numbers match the k2 so how correct are k2 forks to use??

i have a really clean k2 top bridge i think i will use, i just can't see spending $500 at this point for the narrow nose one. is the triple clamp/steering stem the same for sand cast and k2? i have a different k2 with a nice lower clamp.

trying to think what all i need to get the repaired frame back to rolling condition. i am going to need some k0 fork ears of course. been thinking of the yamiya set of gold tins. question: has anyone placed a large order with yamiya?? any discount on it?? looking at the repop tins for $2k, the repop seat for $1k, and the repop exhaust for another $2k +. seems with a $5k+ order maybe there would be a discount. just curious what past experiences have brought. if i piece together the tins, seat, and pipes it's going to take way long. i don't mind dumping some money into the proper repop stuff. any other good options besides yamiya? i know i am asking for all your secrets, haha... i just want to have a game plan before i get in deep. heck with repop fenders and stuff it will probably be over $7k.

so... with frame repairs and replacing all the missing stuff i would think i will be in well over $10k in no time. what the heck is this thing worth?? i am not doing it for profit, it's much more a passion to see it as original as i can make it. but in the past i have dumped $$ into a bike and come out way in the red. it was on a much smaller scale. makes me a little nervous to tie up a lot of $$ and be in the red when done. would like to consider this bike as an asset (although it will probably never be sold) and figuring out the value of these things seems nearly impossible. would it be safe to assume it will be worth $15k when done and running? also have to think of a number for insurance down the road.

cheers, john

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 04, 2012, 12:39:09 am »
ok guys and girls,

i am getting to the age where a digital camera and wide screen laptop work a lot better than my k-mart reading glasses  ::)

first off... WHO THE &8@% USED THE ?@*^!@%$# CRESCENT WRENCH TO CHANGE THE *%!@?)(%$$@ OIL BACK IN THE DAY???  ever heard of a six point socket??? oh well probably back in like '71 when NO ONE had a metric six point socket. well that sux. never saw it until it was on the wide screen. >:(

hey that gives me an idea... man my eyes aren't getting any better... crap i can probably duct tape some shocks and fenders to this thing... in a couple more years i won't even be able to SEE the difference...  :D

well i tried to show what my crappy eyes can see in real life, NO WAY is the oil filter cover the same as the side covers. whilst the motor side covers have (i think!!) a satin rubbed finish and some kind of clear coat, i would say the filter cover is painted grey. i can see much clearer on the wide screen some definate chips in the paint from road dust. remember this bike only had 8900 miles on it. there is not MUCH for chips but definately there. looks to me at least, to be a perfect match for the lower motor case, the top is greasy.

i will document it some day and figure out how to post the pictures here and not on photobucket, just in case. before i pull the filter cover, i figured i would spray the entire motor with panther piss, wave magic chicken feathers over the bolt for a few hours, distracting the cover bolt demons long enuf to get the thing off without it seizing. maybe try soaking the bolt in some sake... that always loosens me up quite a bit hehe... oh man fall will be here soon, what a great time to drink some... if you have never had sake then you are missing a real treat! i found a sake carafe and two little cups at the asian market for like $10 a few years ago, can't remember the name brand of the sake but the local grocery store has it for maybe $15 a bottle... fill the carafe and microwave for maybe 40 seconds (ok maybe not proper but easy) and you have one of the best wines ever. have to have a few cups with old 1767 when it cools down. the best drink EVER for a chilly evening. dang good stuff the japanese have come up with!!  ;) never checked but they have probably been making it for thousands of years... man one thing when you travel the world it's frickin' amazing how much older the history is in other parts of the world. i mean, for us in usa "ancient" history is some old stinky dried up indian moccasin that is 200 years old (and please, no offense to native americans, or even stinky old moccasins for that matter) i mean, the stuff just ISN'T that old. but hoooo boy take a canal tour in amsterdam and you are passing churches and buildings that are well over 1000 years old. never been to asia (yet!!! ;)) but even a way deeper older history. what a neat place. what an amazing world with so many diverse things. anyways i guess i have wandered off subject. see ya.

cheers, john









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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 03, 2012, 09:24:53 pm »
hi steven,

yes will post some pics soon, some of the new kitchen appliances arrived friday, been quite busy. no long weekend for me. i may have to roll the sandy out into the sun tommow or the next day to check the finish, shops lights are hard to tell by. we are having another heat wave it seems and i put a split system ptac air conditoner in my shop this year  8) don't open the door much when it's so hot. hoping for some fall days soon. in the 90's and super humid today. long summer!

thanks for the heads up chris. if someone can post some pics maybe my welder can do something about the gussets. the frame has already been butchered badly, and by buying this bike i saved it from the scrap heap, so if it's not 100% correct and perfect, well it's better than getting melted down into a moped  ;D the damage has been done to this bike. i just don't think it will ever be 100%. it's too late to be an original. all i can do is make it complete and running again. i have already pretty much decided i will use some non-correct things and some re-pop things. and i can always go back later and easily add correct shocks and mirrors and stuff as budget permits. if i try and return it exactly it will take forever. what i will do is use 100% of the original parts i have, and do stuff like make gussets "appear" correct if it can be done.

cheers, john

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General Discussion / Re: questions on un-doing frame mods
« on: September 01, 2012, 01:32:33 pm »
thanks marty,

i will probably use the k2 front end and both wheels that i already have to make the platform a roller. it will give me time to clean up the front wheel, and find a correct rear rim to lace on my hub. after the welding, my frame/swingarm/center stand/battery box can go to the paint shop whilst i fart around with the motor and carb bank.

thanks for the info!!

regards, john

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