Honda CB750 Sandcast
The Restoration Shop => Front End and Suspension => Topic started by: ashimotok0 on October 11, 2015, 06:30:40 pm
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The Yamiya repro shocks they say have the correct spring and made by the original supplier. Anyone bought them and can confirm they are correct.
Ash
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I have a set i have not taken out of box. I rec'd them last month. I will take them out of box and report back.
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I have a set i have not taken out of box. I rec'd them last month. I will take them out of box and report back.
Cheers Steve.. I took a flier on ordering a set as they have over 20% off this month and I feared they may sell out. I have a new set of the now discontinued Genuine Honda K0/K1 52400-300-020XW variants so they should sell well on eBay and recoup the cost of the Yamiya ones.
Still very interested in your comment though.
Many thanks ... Ash
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What is the difference to the Z1parts shocks?
http://www.z1parts.net/product/cb750-sandcast-shocks (http://www.z1parts.net/product/cb750-sandcast-shocks)
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What is the difference to the Z1parts shocks?
http://www.z1parts.net/product/cb750-sandcast-shocks (http://www.z1parts.net/product/cb750-sandcast-shocks)
Yamiya ones are supposed to be made by the original manufacurer so I assume Showa.
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A bunch of the stuff being sold by Yamiya is also being sold by Z1 Parts and MachIV Motors, and no doubt others. KP
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A bunch of the stuff being sold by Yamiya is also being sold by Z1 Parts and MachIV Motors, and no doubt others. KP
took the words out of my mouth. imagine there is not more than one mfgr'r for various parts, but certainly seems a number of folks have got on the vendor wagon.
encl: pics repro from Yamiya beside "7 spring DeCarbon." while repro's are "7 spring," that's where similarities end. imho. spring wire is smaller diameter. repro black upper eyes welded. numerous other differences.
i don't know how the "52400-300-020XW variants" compare to a repro, but i am guessing the "52400-300-020XW variants" are closer to an original "7 spring DeCarbon" than the repro (except the "variant's" have fewer visible spring windings than the "7 spring.") i used a set of the "52400-300-020XW variants" on 232, however i replaces the fewer winding springs on the variants and installed original "7 spring" coils.
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one more pic of welded upper eye. to me this is the most glaring difference.
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A bunch of the stuff being sold by Yamiya is also being sold by Z1 Parts and MachIV Motors, and no doubt others. KP
One thing to note. The seats from Mach IV are NOT Yamiya, as I found to my cost. They are made by PMC. Lots of subtle differences between the two and the Yamiya one is definitely better. member Kettle738 had a chance to look at my MachIV seat before I did and observed the differences for me (I will find the detail) and Yamiya posted some detail on their Facebook site (no I am not into social media like FB but it seems the only way to communicate with a fast response to David Silver Spares and Yamiya etc).
The only agent of Yamiya stuff I know of is Saisei in the UK. Yamiya told me they have no official agent in the USA and were upset about other products being passed off as theirs, in particular the seats.
I can photo both seats (Yamiya & PMC) side by side and highlight the differences.
From what I can see "52400-300-020XW variants" are now sadly discontinued. I ordered the Yamiya ones as I thought they were exact repros of the original (particularly the springs) but I also have set of new 'Honda variants". What do you reckon guys .... tell them not to ship Yamiya ones and just use the "Variants"? Luckily Yamiya are awaiting an addition small order from me, so have not packed and shipped the shocks yet.
This is off topic here but Yamiya's CB400F pipes are NOT double skinned as original and the silencer they sell is made in the UK.
Ash
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Hi Ash
Just to reiterate what I said. "A bunch of the stuff being sold by Yamiya is also being sold by Z1 Parts and MachIV Motors, and no doubt others". What I never said was Yamaha's stuff (stuff made by/for Yamiya) is being sold by those sellers.
The initial topic of the thread was about repop shocks and these are not a Yamiya made product. Indeed many items sold by Yamiya are not made by/for Yamiya. Tanks, fork ears, chain guards, cables and many other items we take as a Yamiya product are in fact made by other companies including PMC. Even their speedo/tacho covers, lenses, faces he sells are from Marcel at CB750faces.com. But then maybe I've got it wrong and Yamiya is in fact selling to PMC
As for seats, Yamiya does not make the seat bases, stainless trim/clips or all the white/yellow foam. Yamiya maybe makes the red sponge and probably the covers and probably/maybe has them assembled. Yes, the red sponge seats are probably the best of the bunch (I have owned 2 of the red foam seats). I've owned a Yamiya white/yellow foam seat and they are in no way correct for a K0 post early sandcast as the PMC used base is wrong. As for the other seats on the market, one of my sandcast friends showed me a K0 seat sold by Everett (I think) and I can tell you for $170 it was a damn good product, unlike the ones sold by David Silver/CMCNL some years ago and it had a very correct base. I'm not sure about other similar seats except the one referred to in the link below.
As for sellers, well we have JTMarks and Sandguss (Manfred Doring) to name 2, selling products which Yamiya states they manufacture so there are others out there selling the exact same products as Yamiya. Are they agents? I don't know, however I do know I'm not slagging Yamiya as I still buy stuff from them but Yamiya doesn't just sell Yamiya stuff.
Here are current links to seats being sold and one is not correct K0. The seat being sold by motorcycle-good-parts is not made by PMC but is a very good repop of a later K0 seat and IMHO is a better seat for the later bikes than the Yamiya
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-Sandcast-K0-Sitzbank-Seat-comp-double-/221730778116?hash=item33a02f2c04 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-Sandcast-K0-Sitzbank-Seat-comp-double-/221730778116?hash=item33a02f2c04)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB750-FOUR-1969-Sandcast-1969-1971-BRAND-NEW-Seat-/201446229409?hash=item2ee72185a1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB750-FOUR-1969-Sandcast-1969-1971-BRAND-NEW-Seat-/201446229409?hash=item2ee72185a1)
I will always say, Yamiya is very very important to our group as a source of parts but those same shocks, the topic of your thread, at Yamiya are normally $400 but now $320 on special whilst Z1 Spares are $165. IMHO some of Yamiya product is expensive
Cheers
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Cheers for that Kerry. I think I got hooked by Yamiya on the shocks because they made a big thing about the coil turns being correct and original manufacturer, which I rightly or wrongly assumed was Showa, plus the 20% off of course.
"The same manufacturer item as original.
Number of active coils is 16.5 which is the same as original."
I too have only the utmost respect for Yamiya, as they do stock some nice stuff and TBH I would be struggling to restore my bike without them.
I think I will also ask Yamiya to cancel the shocks and issue at least a credit note and use the Honda ones instead. I have a seat on order from them and have the PMC one on eBay, so I will pull the eBay sale and consider the options when the Yamiya one arrives. It would be nice to have a list of recommended sources for items that people have evaluated. A bit like the double cut fender blade that Eric in Vietnam sells, un-chromed. Mine after extra polishing and chroming in the UK turned out really nice.
Thanks for everyone's input .. restoring early CB750's is certainly challenging!
Ash
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were the pictures of shox helpful ?
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were the pictures of shox helpful ?
Yes .. great thanks Steve. appreciate you taking the time to kindly photo them. I kind of think I would be better with the Honda version now though, after your comments and the top mount arrangement photo.
cheers ... Ash
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;) hi guys am i missing the point here ? about the repro parts i mean?
i always thought honda subbed a lot of thier work out anyways e.g. showa ,hitachi ,d.i.d. stanley, nippon denso,the list is probably endless ,even honda themselves had a sub-contractor code in their part numbers
so would it not be reasonable to assume that these same sub-contractors could be making the same parts for yamiya,silvers,saisei z1 mach1V whoever?
honda have stated they will not make or supply parts for motorbikes over fifteen years old.
so i dont think them very same sub-contractors would just shut up shop
i will gladly buy any repro part as long as its fit for purpose ,if it comes from japan then its a bonus in my book
im just glad that at least somebody is making them,because if it was left to honda alone ,we would not even have be having this discussion
old man honda always said he would make or supply parts for the older bikes
now the world is run by bankers and we all know how that will end lol
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;) hi guys am i missing the point here ? about the repro parts i mean?
i always thought honda subbed a lot of thier work out anyways e.g. showa ,hitachi ,d.i.d. stanley, nippon denso,the list is probably endless ,even honda themselves had a sub-contractor code in their part numbers
so would it not be reasonable to assume that these same sub-contractors could be making the same parts for yamiya,silvers,saisei z1 mach1V whoever?
honda have stated they will not make or supply parts for motorbikes over fifteen years old.
so i dont think them very same sub-contractors would just shut up shop
i will gladly buy any repro part as long as its fit for purpose ,if it comes from japan then its a bonus in my book
im just glad that at least somebody is making them,because if it was left to honda alone ,we would not even have be having this discussion
old man honda always said he would make or supply parts for the older bikes
now the world is run by bankers and we all know how that will end lol
Great remarks, agreed with all.
The only exception i would have is in the case of when one wants a machine "restored appearing exactly like original." To be exact in appearance, for example, those shocks fall short in "appearing exactly like original. "
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I totally agree with your sentiment Steff. Who cares who makes or sells it as long as there is a supplier.
One of the issues is that Honda have threatened legal action to anyone reproducing parts that they have not approved. Approval can be had as long as specific criteria is met. David Silver Spares in the UK was actually taken on legally for selling reproduction Honda parts as reported in world media. Honda also took on a guy in Australia for reproducing badges and another one in Canada was taken on for reproducing decals. Yep, Reproduction decals in Canada were subject to the wrath of Honda. I know about this because some CBX decals I wanted were removed from the catalogue due to pressure from Honda and they told me this during an exchange I had with them. If you visit their website you won't see any reference to a Honda decal yet they produce some of the best repop decals around
http://www.diablocycle.com/-Decals/ (http://www.diablocycle.com/-Decals/)
As for the suppliers to Honda, my understanding is that what they make specifically and supply to Honda cannot be sold to anyone other than Honda. I can be corrected on this point if I'm incorrect. A company who made a specific part for Honda in the 1970's remade the same part some years back and sold them to various suppliers worldwide. All hell broke out with that supplier resulting in the product being withdrawn from sale with the product being subsequently modified (removal of certain branding) before it was again resold.
Anyway it is a good topic for discussion and there are differing views so I'm going to post a new thread in General Discussion to see what the others think :o
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very interesting and i will admit disappointed with what i just discovered..... take a look at the upper steel eye on this set of shox sold by Z1 parts.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB750-Sand-Cast-Shocks-CB750K-K0-K-K1-Sandcast-Shock-Absorbers-CB-750-719-/161852758738?hash=item25af2d1ad2&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-CB750-Sand-Cast-Shocks-CB750K-K0-K-K1-Sandcast-Shock-Absorbers-CB-750-719-/161852758738?hash=item25af2d1ad2&vxp=mtr)
that eye on the Z1 shox is not at all like the eye on the shox i received from Yamiya.... the Z1 eye certainly appears to approximate original.
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were the pictures of shox helpful ?
Steve,
to me it is hard to understand which shock is what.
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I totally agree with your sentiment Steff. Who cares who makes or sells it as long as there is a supplier.
One of the issues is that Honda have threatened legal action to anyone reproducing parts that they have not approved. Approval can be had as long as specific criteria is met. David Silver Spares in the UK was actually taken on legally for selling reproduction Honda parts as reported in world media. Honda also took on a guy in Australia for reproducing badges and another one in Canada was taken on for reproducing decals. Yep, Reproduction decals in Canada were subject to the wrath of Honda. I know about this because some CBX decals I wanted were removed from the catalogue due to pressure from Honda and they told me this during an exchange I had with them. If you visit their website you won't see any reference to a Honda decal yet they produce some of the best repop decals around
http://www.diablocycle.com/-Decals/ (http://www.diablocycle.com/-Decals/)
As for the suppliers to Honda, my understanding is that what they make specifically and supply to Honda cannot be sold to anyone other than Honda. I can be corrected on this point if I'm incorrect. A company who made a specific part for Honda in the 1970's remade the same part some years back and sold them to various suppliers worldwide. All hell broke out with that supplier resulting in the product being withdrawn from sale with the product being subsequently modified (removal of certain branding) before it was again resold.
Anyway it is a good topic for discussion and there are differing views so I'm going to post a new thread in General Discussion to see what the others think :o
I wrote to Honda about the ludicrous situation that I could not buy a repro seat in Europe with the Honda Logo on it and Saisei had to refund the money I paid them for importing me a Yamiya seat because he was prevented from re-selling it to me it because it has the HONDA logo on it . Saisei in the UK had a meeting with Honda UK and, during fruitful discussions, presented my letter and also DS also had similar discussions. The outcome was very favourable. I will let the two Davids (David Taylor from Saisei and David Silver from DS spares) give the detail but it's definitely a step forward for us in Europe. Several people told me that it was like 'banging my head against a brick wal'l trying to get any sense out of Honda UK but it just shows that if you persist and can get past the 'suits' it can be worthwhile.
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were the pictures of shox helpful ?
Steve,
to me it is hard to understand which shock is what.
for example, to me the huge pair of welded beads 180' apart from each other on each side of the steel eye is quite visible. especially when the shock is mounted, one sees the welds in the full display of a side view.
part of the problem is in trying to form an accurate evaluation is looking at pictures of parts instead of looking at actual parts, but for the most part i think we do pretty good. and maybe another factor is how many of us have actually seen actual original parts to compare to repro parts. another obvious difference, assuming one has seen an original 7 spring shock, the diameter of the wire uses ot make the coil spring is not as large as Yamiya.
when i post pictures i always look at the picture of the object, to make sure the picture is decent enough to see distinctions i am able to see in the pictures i posted. i feel the pictures i posted and an original 7 spring and the yamiya shock, viewing the black steel eyes, the springs and the welding on the base of the shocks where eyelet is held on by a nut show the differences between the 2 shocks quite well....
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Well thanks to Steve's kind efforts I have sent Yamiya an email requesting cancellation of my replica shocks due to the welded top but mainly the thinner wire, non-correct to original spring. If the spring had been correct I could have exchanged it with my Honda NOS 52400-300-020XW set. Not sure how Yamiya will respond to cancelling an item but I will post any reply.
Interestingly, I also found these at 26,000 Yen BIN price. (the Yamiya ones were 38,000 Yen with 21% after this months offer discount
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m144828425 (http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m144828425)
Cheers again for your help Steve
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Well thanks to Steve's kind efforts I have sent Yamiya an email requesting cancellation of my replica shocks due to the welded top but mainly the thinner wire, non-correct to original spring. If the spring had been correct I could have exchanged it with my Honda NOS 52400-300-020XW set. Not sure how Yamiya will respond to cancelling an item but I will post any reply.
Interestingly, I also found these at 26,000 Yen BIN price. (the Yamiya ones were 38,000 Yen with 21% after this months offer discount
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m144828425 (http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m144828425)
Cheers again for your help Steve
Ash, what strikes me is those shox Z1 Parts is selling on ebay are NOT like like shox sold by Yamiya. in particular, that black steel part of the actual shock protruding through the chrome cover AND the eye. to my eye, has very much an oem *appearance* not very many pics to look at, but overall the shock looks better than the Yamiya. difficult to tell the spring diameter in the auction pics.
another thought these Z1 shox raises is: because these Z1 Parts shox look different thant Yamiya, does this mean there is more than one manufacturer of shocks?
would be nice to hear a report from anyone who has bought the Z1 Parts shox. http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-Sandcast-Shocks-/141798919265?hash=item2103dfcc61:g:fw4AAOxyXzxTH5lg&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-Sandcast-Shocks-/141798919265?hash=item2103dfcc61:g:fw4AAOxyXzxTH5lg&vxp=mtr)
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http://www.decarbon.com/ (http://www.decarbon.com/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Carbon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Carbon)
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I noted the photos published by Mr Swan and the top eye is not a good look for a reproduction part and this disappoints me. Unfortunately the Z1 Parts shock has a problem at the opposite end in that the bottom bracket that bolts the shock to the swing arm is welded to the shock bottom tube :o. This should be bolted. The Yamiya shock suffers from a poorly constructed top eye whereas the Z1 Parts product suffers from a poorly copied bottom eye. A pity both manufacturers (if there are 2) couldn't combine their efforts and make a very good reproduction ;D
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Hey there, Eagle Eye. GREAT OBSERVATION !!!! I totally missed that one ! :o
yes, i was surprised and disappointed to see that top eye from Yamiya. and i have to admit, i am a loyal Yamiya customer. i actually don't buy from any other vendor and over the past few months i've spent more with them than all my past put together.
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Like Mr Beuthner, I'm just anal about this stuff. ;D
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Well I got this back from Shimpei at Yamiya overnight. He raises a valid point on why the replicas are welded IMHO, possibly a reason why Honda have discontinued 52400-300-020XW (not the poor quality of the weld on the Yamiya ones though !). I posted him pics of the tops and springs of original and replica, with annotated comments on why they are different. I seem to remember that ChrisR commented that if I fitted decent or rechromed original springs to the new 52400-300-020XW Honda ones I have, they would look OK and pretty much like original 10/69 Diecast. This was years ago so sorry if I got it wrong Chris. Just need to find the springs now (or perhaps move on and get a life :))
Dear Sir,
We cancelled your order #19046 and gave you a full refund.
Please place a new order for the all parts you need all together again.
The thickness of the original Honda K0 rear shock spring wire is 4.5mm.
Our replica shocks M068 has 4.5mm wire and it is the same as original.
We have no idea why your shock in your pic has different thickness wire.
The welding method has been changed to meet the recent safety standard.
hank you for your understanding.
Best Regards,
Motorcycle YAMIYA
WONDER who makes these .. The translation says made in Japan
http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m144828425 (http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m144828425)
BTW a member on HondaTwins.net acussed me of obviously being a fan of 'MacGyver' ... had to Google that one!
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would be nice to hear a report from anyone who has bought the Z1 Parts shox. http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-Sandcast-Shocks-/141798919265?hash=item2103dfcc61:g:fw4AAOxyXzxTH5lg&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-Sandcast-Shocks-/141798919265?hash=item2103dfcc61:g:fw4AAOxyXzxTH5lg&vxp=mtr)
I have them mounted on my K0. That bike is driven regularly.
i would say, these shocks are too stiff (but they all were in those days) compared to KONI I had before.
Bumpy on poor roads, even in softest position, but reasonable on good roads.
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Good to here reports like this. every time i ride 2157 (original. deCarbon Nitrogen filled) i am impressed overall with it's ride, ability to absorb bumps and manage turns. considering it is a 46 year old motorcycle design.
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This response from Yamiya on this welding is a poor excuse for crap (as their copies of shock absorbers...) that is worthless and should be well they find something to respond...
They also sell the (more expensive) original Honda model that doesn't have as big weld and if there was a security problem has this place Honda would have modified it for a long time...
Gerard
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Good to here reports like this. every time i ride 2157 (original. deCarbon Nitrogen filled) i am impressed overall with it's ride, ability to absorb bumps and manage turns. considering it is a 46 year old motorcycle design.
Steve... This is normal because De Carbon is the French quality! ;D ;D :D :D
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Good to here reports like this. every time i ride 2157 (original. deCarbon Nitrogen filled) i am impressed overall with it's ride, ability to absorb bumps and manage turns. considering it is a 46 year old motorcycle design.
Steve... This is normal because De Carbon is the French quality! ;D ;D :D :D
Absolument ! ;D
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Good to here reports like this. every time i ride 2157 (original. deCarbon Nitrogen filled) i am impressed overall with it's ride, ability to absorb bumps and manage turns. considering it is a 46 year old motorcycle design.
Steve... This is normal because De Carbon is the French quality! ;D ;D :D :D
Absolument ! ;D
On another note...... much of many old brand names and in general, tools, equipment, products we purchase in USA are made in China. and i see de Carbon was purchased by the Chinese. Are many old European brand names now made in China ?
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This response from Yamiya on this welding is a poor excuse for crap (as their copies of shock absorbers...) that is worthless and should be well they find something to respond...
They also sell the (more expensive) original Honda model that doesn't have as big weld and if there was a security problem has this place Honda would have modified it for a long time...
Gerard
I thought that Honda no longer manufacture sell K0/K1 shocks? (see image attached)
The ones I bought before they discontinued have springs with wire diameter 6.9 mm.Pity nobody sells an original K0 style spring,so I could swap them.
Thanks to Steve's observations/photo I managed to get a refund from Yamiya, as they were awaiting an additional order from me, so lucky escape. agree fully that there is no excuse for poor welding.
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When I see this seller sandguss Ebay Germany (which is registered on this website) proposed these same bad copies for €589,00/$688,00 by saying that these are excellent reproductions...There well I want to type in the walls...
This is ugly for the image of the Group.. >:( >:(
When registered on the SancastOnly I think it must demonstrate integrity and respect from other members...
Is it possible to establish rules for it? No... I do not think..
Gerard
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-Sandcast-K0-Stosdampfer-Set-Cushion-Assy-rear-/321199255195?hash=item4ac8f7ae9b (http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-Sandcast-K0-Stosdampfer-Set-Cushion-Assy-rear-/321199255195?hash=item4ac8f7ae9b)
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Gerard, in the early years of this website, a couple of us shared your exact thoughts.
What do you suggest ?
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Gerard, in the early years of this website, a couple of us shared your exact thoughts.
What do you suggest ?
I dont know... Maybe two yellow cards and one red as in international football??
But it's just an idea like that...
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Gerard, in the early years of this website, a couple of us shared your exact thoughts.
What do you suggest ?
I dont know... Maybe two yellow cards and one red as in international football??
But it's just an idea like that...
sandguss, aka Manfred Doering used to on a very limited basis involve himself with SOOC. Manfred moved on from SOOC a long time ago. what sooc does and what Manfred does are unrelated. he's not promoting anything on sooc. i have not heard from Manfred for at least several years. tried to get him involved with sooc on the "International/European News" section of website. i like to be inclusive, but for whatever reasons, some people are not participators.
in the usa we have a term "dead wood." there's quite a bit of "dead wood" in sooc. only a few of us seem to want to be involved with SOOC and i have to be on a limited basis. but i still really enjoy things sandcast. i am member of 4 other forums, 3/4 related to my 1927. and i participate FAR less on them than i do here. so, i'm kind of dead wood myself.
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dead wood I call my self a card holder in the clubs and groups I'm in I mite not participate much but I really enjoy this site I will click it on at lest 2 or 3 times a day just to see whats going on out here in the sand cast world its disappointing to turn on the computer not to see any new post at all in a day but of course I could try to do better and post sum but id rather just read them any way just wanted to say I do enjoy the club fire ball bike
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My belief is the one you should be avoiding at all costs is seller ANDY_CEPOK who coincidentally is a seller from Germany. His feedback says it all. I have bought items from him which he stated were "Genuine Honda" only to find they are were repops/aftermarket. When challenged he refused to answer my emails about his claim of Genuine parts. To me this is a far worse situation than overpricing. From my dealings with Manfred, he at least states if a part is a reproduction. He's certainly not doing anything that other sellers aren't. Yes, some of his stuff is expensive but to those of us who want the genuine hard to find part, you sometimes just have to pay the price.
The following linked items of Cepok are far from genuine IMHO. If you browse his listings you will find others. A well used trick (or ruse) is to have a part with a genuine Honda parts label in the photograph but when you receive the part, no parts label.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Zifferblatter-Tachometer-Scheiben-Tachoscheiben-DZM-KM-H-Honda-CB-750-Four-K2-/360513066432?hash=item53f040d5c0 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Zifferblatter-Tachometer-Scheiben-Tachoscheiben-DZM-KM-H-Honda-CB-750-Four-K2-/360513066432?hash=item53f040d5c0)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB750-Four-K0-K2-Anbauteil-Sozius-Fusrasten-Neu-/360843103931?hash=item5403eccebb (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB750-Four-K0-K2-Anbauteil-Sozius-Fusrasten-Neu-/360843103931?hash=item5403eccebb)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-K0-K1-K2-K6-K7-F1-F2-wire-harness-alternator-new-/290949292135?hash=item43bdede067 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-K0-K1-K2-K6-K7-F1-F2-wire-harness-alternator-new-/290949292135?hash=item43bdede067)
One thing I do know is that people join this site for many and varied reasons. Some for no other reason than to sell. As Steve said Manfred was an active member some years back as were others. Maybe he's just moved on
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i probably should apologize for my 'deadwood' comment, but like i said, i include myself in that category. i just tend to "blah blah" a bit more. probably a good time to keep my foot in my mouth so i don't have two feet in it instead of one.
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Steve no need to apologize i meant to have said i liked the term deadwood i have been called a card holder for years and if a apple is a apple call it a apple its not a bad thing to let others no whats going on it mite help sum us down the rode
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I completely agree with you KP that some sales are not clear also to Andy.Cepok...
It has been a long time since I noticed that it describes certain parts as being parts OEM Honda while it is not true...
Repeatedly I he is asked if it was about original parts Honda but I have never had answer...
Apparently, the lure of gain is more important here than the passion of Sandcast he even...
A blacklist of the doubtful sellers would be maybe welcome?
But is it also registered on this website?
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i never heard of Andy Cepok until KP mentioned his name.
and for the record, Manffred Doering "sandguss "was never an active member, what little he did contribute, i had pretty much came to him beseeching. all that was around 2006-7. his "contributions on the "International European" seemed more like an advertisement for his parts than anything personal as to what sandcast news there was going on in Europe.
imho what we really need is a "30 something" to pick up and carry on our sooc passion, before all us old folks head to the great sandcastle in the sky. maybe someday i'll offer a competition to any/all 30 somethings to write an essay why they LOVE and have PASSION for 1969 CB750 sandcast motorcycles. the top 3 essay "winners" would then need to come out, meet me in person and agree to carry on the website. the essay winner woujld receive one of my sandcasts as the award. i can be a wild and crazy guy. hmm.
noe of us are going to be around forever, we're all headed in the same direction. if sandcast fever dies with this website and with Vic World, then perhaps it will carry on in the sohc4 domain world.
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Be active would really be the last straw..!!