Honda CB750 Sandcast
The Restoration Shop => Frame and Chassis Related Elements => Topic started by: Sgt.Pinback on August 04, 2017, 10:30:39 am
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Here are pics of the steering head stop from my sandcast and from my diecast KO
Does anybody know when this area was changed with that aditional "brace"?
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K0 frame #20410 still has the brace in photo 1, as do all my Sandcast frames, I have 4 higher numbered K0 frames that I will check when I get to my shop.
Hope that helps,
DW
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Checked several other K0 frame heads, 30138 & 35179 both have the same steering stop brace as shown in photo 1. Curious now to what frame VIN number photo 2 belongs?
DW
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#18907
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So I went and checked both of my 1971 K1 bikes , 641XX and 747xx and they both have the same steering stop as photo 1, not sure why your 18907 K0 is different, could US bike and European bike be different?
DW
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That was my thought too when reading your VINs.
18907 is a German K0.
Thanks for input.
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My mates #92xx diecast has this cover too.
Both are German spec. K0s.
Maybe only German bikes had it?
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Hi!
The german bikes has a quite different lock than general export bikes has. The german bikes has a Neiman lock and you cant use general export locks on german bikes.
My sandcast #5119/5065 is a german bike with a Neiman lock and so is also my K0 in the 35.000 range.
Kind regards, Bojje
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Please post some pictures of a Neiman lock, I would love to know more and learn about this unique feature.
Thanks much,
DW
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Hi!
The german bikes has a quite different lock than general export bikes has. The german bikes has a Neiman lock and you cant use general export locks on german bikes.
My sandcast #5119/5065 is a german bike with a Neiman lock and so is also my K0 in the 35.000 range.
Kind regards, Bojje
Thats right. All German CB750 have those Neiman locks.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-K0-K6-Lenkschlos-Lenkradsperre-lock-steering-handle-Neiman-/291785514149?hash=item43efc59ca5:m:mjJXz5y7x6Bsp9RUCKdxHrA (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Honda-CB-750-Four-K0-K6-Lenkschlos-Lenkradsperre-lock-steering-handle-Neiman-/291785514149?hash=item43efc59ca5:m:mjJXz5y7x6Bsp9RUCKdxHrA)
(Andy Cepok says: German AND Netherland)
As far as I know, those were changed be HONDA Germany when the bikes arrived here in Germany.
So, although not tested by me, they should be interchangeable.
Those Neiman locks are the reason, why we always had two different keys.
Bojje:
does your German sandcast (I didnīt knew there were German sandcast. That would be realy rare with German blinkers, rear light...) has the recessed ignition switch? Or did they change both, the ignition switch and the steering lock for German bikes?
Another difference: German bikes have the VIN stamp on steering head on the right side.
Bojje: does your German sandcast has the VIN on the right side and this stop - cover on the frame head tube as my diecast?
Interresting discussion. Would like to know if French or Netherland bikes have that stop-cover as well.
I assume, Germany, Netherland and E.D. bikes as they have another frame part number in parts loist.
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.... sorry, double
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As the steering lock (Neiman) was used in Germany and Netherlands, with this oval (not round) cover, the lower bridge (stem) is different too with a different parts number.
Will post a pic of the lower clamp later.
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Here is a pic from the Neiman steering lock in lower clamp of my German K0
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Hi.
Now I'checked my german/dutch #5119/5065. Germany wasnt very intersted in these japanese bikes in 1969 so about 15 bikes in the 5000-range went to sweden and all equipped as german/dutch. I have made pictures of the framehead but unfortunately I dont know how to post them. They where equipped as followig (what I remember) as this:
Km speedo
Pilot lamp and throttlegrip whit a "p" between high and low beam
Framenumber on right side of framehead.
Alloyplate riveted on left side on framehead with information in german
Steelguard above steeringstop. I expect as theftprotection.
Neimanlock with metalcover.
110 mm fromt winkerstems
Small winkers
Hughe black taillight mounted with 4 bolts (like K3,4,5 and 6) with winkermount, reflector down below, round taillight with yellow stoplight.
Exhaustpipes stamped HM CB750 with diffusers with smaller outlet.
I think I've remembered everything and if someone will help me I can send photos to show the german/dutch equippment, just let me know who.
Kind regards, Bo or as we say in Europe Bojje.
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Great info, thank you! Now that's really rare.
Yes, that protection is theft protection. Learned that from your German mate, Franz. Phoned with him the other day.
a lot of fans wanted them here, but been told there are a only handful German/Dutch spec. sandcast that came here to Germany.
There was one offered on mobile.de two or three years ago.
Great info that those sandcast already had the HMCB750 pipes. That proofs what I always say: no HM300 ever in Germany.
Does she have the recessed ignition switch?
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Wow, that some new and exciting information on German/Dutch models, thanks for sharing.
DW
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Hi again!
Yes, all sandcasts and K0 had resessed ignition switch. The 24.xxx bike I bought 2,5 month before I was 18 years old in 1970 was a german/dutch bike with resessed ignition switch.
Best regards and I wish you a nice weekend, Bo
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I asked because non of the 4 German diecast KO I have or had, had it. Nor has the 92xx of my mate.
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Hi.
Now I'checked my german/dutch #5119/5065.
Pilot lamp and throttlegrip whit a "p" between high and low beam
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I think I've remembered everything and if someone will help me I can send photos to show the german/dutch equippment, just let me know who.
Kind regards, Bo or as we say in Europe Bojje.
Here is a pic of my German K0 with "P" for parking light. Thats a small additional bulp in the heas lamp.
Bojje,
When you post, klick "Additional Potions..." and upload pic.
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And here is the entire bike wioth German/Dutch blinkers, head lamp and holder, HMCB750 pipes ...
BTW: 245.900 km, unrestored
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Hi, You always learn something new!
My 5084 and 5128 must be two of these german bikes as they both have this theftcover and the VIN on the right side. (I live in Sweden).
I bought both of them in boxes with lots of missing parts so there were no winkers, exhaust etc left. I restored them both to the American style but as I understand of this discussion they should have some other parts regarding light switch, winkers, neiman-lock and so on. For now I think Iīll keep them as they are :-\
I attach a pic of 5084 steering head.
Regards
/Kenneth
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Unbelievable.
I start understanding why there are so few German sasndcasts here. They all went to Skandinavia!
Do you have the lover clamp with that oval casting for steering lock?
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Great information!!
I am curious, what was on the left hand steering head, was there an aluminium sticker or were these German Sandcast steering heads left bare, with no other identification?
Thanks,
DW
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No, I didnīt have the original lower steering stem at all. A lot of parts were missing or of later years. It was a mix of CB750 parts in boxes I bought and actually it was two sandcasts (one frame with missing engine block though). I had to rely heavily on Ebay to get my Sandcasts in true fashion (for example the steering stems wich became the american model). I also have a original 1975 K2 (they kept the look mostly as K2:s in Sweden up to 1976, just changed some minor details). On that bike I have this Neiman steering lock.
Regards
/Kenneth
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Beautiful bikes Kenneth!
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Thank You! :)
The bluegreen is now updated with a Sandcast engine but of course not the original as that one was missing.
Both works like charm and I rebuilt them 2012 and 2014 respectively. Ca 5000 km each today.
/Kenneth