Honda CB750 Sandcast
General Category => Links to Auctions and Classifieds => Topic started by: ashimotok0 on January 28, 2018, 05:09:46 pm
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Interesting ! thanks for the heads-up link James.
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Interesting in this comment that this person says he once owned the green pp bike.
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Thank you for sharing... I think it will be very very hot ... The sale is likely to reach a record
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Interesting in this comment that this person says he once owned the green pp bike.
i find it increasingly annoying and tiring these bikes are referred to as "prototypes." unless i misundertand, which is unlikely, the bike Mr. Dodge is referring to is not the "green" bike. Mr. Dodge owned the blue-green late pre-production, vins CB750-2113/CB750E-2113 which he sold to Mr. World which Mr. World sold on ebay.
regarding "prototype" WHAT prototype? other than the dictionary definition, in the case of CB750 motorcycles produced before March 15, 1969, WHAT DOES PROTOTYPE MEAN? imho, anyone who uses the word prototype to describe machines produced before 3/15/1969 is better pitied than censored. ARRGGHH!
what is so difficult or challenging to refer to bikes built before 3/15/1969 as:
Early Pre-Production - one is known to have been produced
Late Pre-Production - four were produced
there were numerous factory mules before the pre-production bikes, Bob Jameson said perhaps a many as 50.
so this must mean that perhaps 55+ "prototypes" were built.
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I wonder if the green PP bike was the one featured in this 1969 edition of BBC TV Programme 'Wheelbase' (a forerunner to 'Top Gear' ) Lord Denbigh the 1st owner of CGU 7H was on the programme and I believe Alf Briggs of Honda UK was possibly riding the bike. It was broadcast on 28th February 1969. Evidently the bike was previously shown in Holland with strict instructions not to run the engine but when it arrived in the UK, Alf started and rode it (this could be Honda folklore though for all I know ...I read it in a book). Alf Briggs was a respected member of Honda UK and ran the Service Department in Nottingham in the 1960's and a close friend of Mr. Honda since the very early 1960's.
The German bike featured was a Munch Mammoth .
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I wonder if the green PP bike was the one featured in this 1969 edition of BBC TV Programme 'Wheelbase' (a forerunner to 'Top Gear' ) Lord Denbigh the 1st owner of CGU 7H was on the programme and I believe Alf Briggs of Honda UK was possibly riding the bike. It was broadcast on 28th February 1969. Evidently the bike was previously shown in Holland with strict instructions not to run the engine but when it arrived in the UK, Alf started and rode it (this could be Honda folklore though for all I know ...I read it in a book). Alf Briggs was a respected member of Honda UK and ran the Service Department in Nottingham in the 1960's and a close friend of Mr. Honda since the very early 1960's.
The German bike featured was a Munch Mammoth .
Ash, what you write of the green late p-p is very interesting. boy!! if you could find more information, if that 1969 film is available, any other writings of the day, that would be quite something if you were able to verify that bike was the green one. that is the only bike of the four late p-p bikes not accounted for.
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perhaps it is timely and appropriate to again post pictures of the 4 late pre-production machines.
the Brighton bike being on the auction block is a big moment in CB750 history. hopefully the new owner of the Brighton bike will share it with us. i was disappointed when the blue-green bike disappeared.
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while i'm at it, a couple pics of the early p-p bike. in the pictures of the early p-p bike in the Mojave desert, Bob Jameson recalled his time with the machines. They were in Death Valley which is -279 feet sea level and rises in areas to 6,000 feet with,as i understand it, 3% to 5% grades for 40 miles. Jameson told me the engineers who came from Japan with the early pre-prod bikes ordered riders to ride up and down the grades in each gear wide open to try to destroy the engine. Jameson told me the engine on the Honda was smoking by the end of the testing, but had not failed. You will note the #1 exhaust pipe is quite blue.
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and of course THIS bike, of which we know little about. what is profound in the letters from Japan to Bob Hansen, they are dated mid 1968, and Honda already had their sights set on having a production CB750 entered at Daytona for 1970. no wonder Honda became #1, the King of Motorcycles. As Einosuke Miyachi prophetically stated about Honda's new model, "...I believe it is an epoch-making machine..." Other than the 1885 Daimler Reitwagen, I believe the CB750 is the most significant machine in motorcycle history.
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and then here are a few pics of test mules. note the one picture of the Japanese rider, the side panel of the tank appears chrome. and what appears to be the same bike, discussed in 1969 December CYCLE WORLD, "Report from Japan." i remember getting VERY EXCITED reading this article as a 17 year old boy. what is interesting is the report makes direct reference to various chassis parts being CB450. also interesting in the CYCLE WORLD article, the author states "...the frame is obviously closer to a test bed, than a production unit."
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Hi There,
it's will be interesting to havemore pic and NOW VIN# AND ENGINE#
Interesting Bike!
Benji
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I wonder if the green PP bike was the one featured in this 1969 edition of BBC TV Programme 'Wheelbase' (a forerunner to 'Top Gear' ) Lord Denbigh the 1st owner of CGU 7H was on the programme and I believe Alf Briggs of Honda UK was possibly riding the bike. It was broadcast on 28th February 1969. Evidently the bike was previously shown in Holland with strict instructions not to run the engine but when it arrived in the UK, Alf started and rode it (this could be Honda folklore though for all I know ...I read it in a book). Alf Briggs was a respected member of Honda UK and ran the Service Department in Nottingham in the 1960's and a close friend of Mr. Honda since the very early 1960's.
The German bike featured was a Munch Mammoth .
Ash, what you write of the green late p-p is very interesting. boy!! if you could find more information, if that 1969 film is available, any other writings of the day, that would be quite something if you were able to verify that bike was the green one. that is the only bike of the four late p-p bikes not accounted for.
I am pretty sure the BBC will have wiped the tape Steve but I will make investigations. It's interesting that Lord Denbigh was on the programme. It was filmed at the Lord Montagu of Beaulieu Estate I believe. Perhaps if I ask David Silver, he can get his buddy James May, who presents for the BBC to ask if there is any trace or info. Worth a shot ... I will keep you posted.
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There was in my opinion two pre-prod Candy gold and this one is the English, what has become the one presented in France in this photo?
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I wonder if the green PP bike was the one featured in this 1969 edition of BBC TV Programme 'Wheelbase' (a forerunner to 'Top Gear' ) Lord Denbigh the 1st owner of CGU 7H was on the programme and I believe Alf Briggs of Honda UK was possibly riding the bike. It was broadcast on 28th February 1969. Evidently the bike was previously shown in Holland with strict instructions not to run the engine but when it arrived in the UK, Alf started and rode it (this could be Honda folklore though for all I know ...I read it in a book). Alf Briggs was a respected member of Honda UK and ran the Service Department in Nottingham in the 1960's and a close friend of Mr. Honda since the very early 1960's.
The German bike featured was a Munch Mammoth .
Ash, what you write of the green late p-p is very interesting. boy!! if you could find more information, if that 1969 film is available, any other writings of the day, that would be quite something if you were able to verify that bike was the green one. that is the only bike of the four late p-p bikes not accounted for.
I am pretty sure the BBC will have wiped the tape Steve but I will make investigations. It's interesting that Lord Denbigh was on the programme. It was filmed at the Lord Montagu of Beaulieu Estate I believe. Perhaps if I ask David Silver, he can get his buddy James May, who presents for the BBC to ask if there is any trace or info. Worth a shot ... I will keep you posted.
Ha ha Steve ..you were named as Steve Shaw in this :D
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Amazingly, this is still live: (Vic's Blue-Green pp)
http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=331120055291&t=0&tid=10&category=80647&seller=sandcast2&excSoj=1&excTrk=1&lsite=100&ittenable=false&domain=ebay.com&descgauge=1&cspheader=1&oneClk=1&secureDesc=0 (http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=331120055291&t=0&tid=10&category=80647&seller=sandcast2&excSoj=1&excTrk=1&lsite=100&ittenable=false&domain=ebay.com&descgauge=1&cspheader=1&oneClk=1&secureDesc=0)
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Look carefully at this picture... :o :o
If it's not a pre-production model then what is it? You will notice the contradiction between the master cylinder with its flexible brake hose, the cap of the oil tank and the bracket of the engine which correspond well to a model of pre-production... And if you look good you also see that the plastics of the turn signals also correspond to the pre production ...
That's why I think there were two Candy Gold pre-production bikes... ??? ???
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Look carefully at this picture... :o :o
If it's not a pre-production model then what is it? You will notice the contradiction between the master cylinder with its flexible brake hose, the cap of the oil tank and the bracket of the engine which correspond well to a model of pre-production... And if you look good you also see that the plastics of the turn signals also correspond to the pre production ...
That's why I think there were two Candy Gold pre-production bikes... ??? ???
Not sure but if you look on here at ChrisR's story, then the M/Cyl was changed in the UK for flat bars when sold and obviously on the auction bike has been swapped back to high bars at some stage. Pretty sure when Chris reads all this he can comment with far more authority than the likes of me though ;)
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Oh yes, if some parts have been changed by the English, there it changes everything ...
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http://online.handh.co.uk/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/83/ (http://online.handh.co.uk/m/view-auctions/catalog/id/83/)
I wonder if the green PP bike was the one featured in this 1969 edition of BBC TV Programme 'Wheelbase' (a forerunner to 'Top Gear' ) Lord Denbigh the 1st owner of CGU 7H was on the programme and I believe Alf Briggs of Honda UK was possibly riding the bike. It was broadcast on 28th February 1969. Evidently the bike was previously shown in Holland with strict instructions not to run the engine but when it arrived in the UK, Alf started and rode it (this could be Honda folklore though for all I know ...I read it in a book). Alf Briggs was a respected member of Honda UK and ran the Service Department in Nottingham in the 1960's and a close friend of Mr. Honda since the very early 1960's.
The German bike featured was a Munch Mammoth .
Ash, what you write of the green late p-p is very interesting. boy!! if you could find more information, if that 1969 film is available, any other writings of the day, that would be quite something if you were able to verify that bike was the green one. that is the only bike of the four late p-p bikes not accounted for.
I am pretty sure the BBC will have wiped the tape Steve but I will make investigations. It's interesting that Lord Denbigh was on the programme. It was filmed at the Lord Montagu of Beaulieu Estate I believe. Perhaps if I ask David Silver, he can get his buddy James May, who presents for the BBC to ask if there is any trace or info. Worth a shot ... I will keep you posted.
Ha ha Steve ..you were named as Steve Shaw in this :D
i never did want to be steve swan...
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Look carefully at this picture... :o :o
If it's not a pre-production model then what is it? You will notice the contradiction between the master cylinder with its flexible brake hose, the cap of the oil tank and the bracket of the engine which correspond well to a model of pre-production... And if you look good you also see that the plastics of the turn signals also correspond to the pre production ...
That's why I think there were two Candy Gold pre-production bikes... ??? ???
Not sure but if you look on here at ChrisR's story, then the M/Cyl was changed in the UK for flat bars when sold and obviously on the auction bike has been swapped back to high bars at some stage. Pretty sure when Chris reads all this he can comment with far more authority than the likes of me though ;)
i agree with your observations Ash. And also because Bob Jameson said there were 4 bikes, he saw them all, and he rode them.
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i never did want to be steve swan...
Are you shaw of that Steve
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Look carefully at this picture... :o :o
If it's not a pre-production model then what is it? You will notice the contradiction between the master cylinder with its flexible brake hose, the cap of the oil tank and the bracket of the engine which correspond well to a model of pre-production... And if you look good you also see that the plastics of the turn signals also correspond to the pre production ...
That's why I think there were two Candy Gold pre-production bikes... ??? ???
And no "Made in Japan" on points cover
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i never did want to be steve swan...
Are you shaw of that Steve
ah sho am shaw of that, Bro KP
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Look carefully at this picture... :o :o
If it's not a pre-production model then what is it? You will notice the contradiction between the master cylinder with its flexible brake hose, the cap of the oil tank and the bracket of the engine which correspond well to a model of pre-production... And if you look good you also see that the plastics of the turn signals also correspond to the pre production ...
That's why I think there were two Candy Gold pre-production bikes... ??? ???
And no "Made in Japan" on points cover
i think the pictures i posted of various periodicals clearly support covers on late p-p bikes were not stamped "Made in Japan."
The question is, have these un-stamped covers been found on any production sandcasts? In particular, have these covers been found on production sandcasts believed to be unmolested or relatively unmolested?
Gerard's un-stamped covers, purchased from a Honda dealer, in their factory wrappers, are without any doubt, intriguing. We know we have found parts typically seen on early vins on later vins. in my opinion, a really good example was of frame 1865 having the gusseting for what we believe may have been intended for a steering damper. Typically, it seems this gusset was commonly seen on vins under 1000 and almost always seen on vins under 500, and began not commonly seen on vins greater than 1000, however Rick Hahn noted frame 1588 has this gusset. In any event, these observations support our belief the factory fitted what parts they had available at the assembly line, irrespective of a particular vin range. Carrying this logic to the case of Gerard's covers, it would seem entirely reasonable the factory sent these un-stamped covers to dealers for retail sale. Gerard's covers make that assumption entirely probable. KP also suggested perhaps these un-stamped covers were intended for a non-USA market. As KP also noted, we don't know. It is not unreasonable to postulate the possibility of one of these un-stamped covers could have been fitted to a production machine on the assembly line. What we need is to find one of these covers on a production motorcycle.
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Hi my friends!
After reading about pointcovers without ”Made in Japan” I checked the cover at my #24/43. I havent seen it before but it doesnt have the stamp. Now we know at least bikes up to that VIN didnt have the stamp. As I can see on #24/43 it looks as it have not fell any time so I expect the dented (small dents) cover to be original.
I’ve also made a full dismount of #4091/3653 today. It has both front engine mount bolts (M 10 with 14 mm head) with small ”8”. It also has a brakehosejunction without guide but longnecked brakehoses.
Tomorrow I will pick-up enginecases for E43 from glassballblasting. Soon the rebuild of it starts.
Very interesting with the golden #2110. We will see what happends at end of auction.
Kind Regards, Bo from Sweden.
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Hi my friends!
After reading about pointcovers without ”Made in Japan” I checked the cover at my #24/43. I havent seen it before but it doesnt have the stamp. Now we know at least bikes up to that VIN didnt have the stamp. As I can see on #24/43 it looks as it have not fell any time so I expect the dented (small dents) cover to be original.
I’ve also made a full dismount of #4091/3653 today. It has both front engine mount bolts (M 10 with 14 mm head) with small ”8”. It also has a brakehosejunction without guide but longnecked brakehoses.
Tomorrow I will pick-up enginecases for E43 from glassballblasting. Soon the rebuild of it starts.
Very interesting with the golden #2110. We will see what happends at end of auction.
Kind Regards, Bo from Sweden.
Bo, thank you for posting your sharing that E43 has an un-stamped cover. considering that cover is so prone to damage, it is amazing it is still on the engine. Gerard is correct in his assumption production models could have un-stamped covers from the factory. Now we know they do. I have learned something. The wonderful thing about looking for and finding these distinctions is that not only do we learn something, and disprove what we think is true, it also increases our body of knowledge. Now what would be fun is to find the highest vin with an un-stamped cover. Considering these covers were perishable, it is one of those investigations that may not reveal as much as we would like to learn.
Bo, it would be helpful if you can catalog the distinctions you are finding on your machines. i hope you are able to do that and share them with us.
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Quote from Steve:
Gerard, i would agree with you, there is a possibility acorn hex head bolts may have been fitted for attaching starter covers on early production machines. And there is a possibility un-stamped points covers may have been fitted to early production machines. All i am asking for is evidence these parts are found on production machines. It would be great if owners of these early vins can share these details. To date, i am not aware of any evidence these parts were fitted to production machines.
Steve, you have your answer...;)
Like what it is useful to dig up old topic because it allows to obtain answers...::)
Many thanks to Bo from Sweden for this valuable information :) ;)
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Quote from Steve:
Gerard, i would agree with you, there is a possibility acorn hex head bolts may have been fitted for attaching starter covers on early production machines. And there is a possibility un-stamped points covers may have been fitted to early production machines. All i am asking for is evidence these parts are found on production machines. It would be great if owners of these early vins can share these details. To date, i am not aware of any evidence these parts were fitted to production machines.
Steve, you have your answer...;)
Like what it is useful to dig up old subjects because it allows to obtain answers...::)
Yes indeed, Gerard! Thank you for resurrecting this old topic! Good stuff!
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Bo,
Curious, Does 24 happen to have acorn hex bolts on the starter cover? Would love to know if they were ever used in production.
Best,
Duane
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If Bo could post one or two photos of this un-stamped cover, it would be concrete proof for alls that there have been some bikes with these covers... (At least one bike ;D ;D :D)
Quite frankly, I can not wait to see this cover on this engine in its original context...:o :o
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Hi again!
Bo from sweden again. I´m sorry to have mislead you all. Today when all lights were on I took the brakepoint cover for #24/43 and studied it thouroughly and I´m very sorry to see there is a stamp hidden under dust and dents. WE had at least 24 hours interesting time but now we are back to basic again. I took a Picture of the exhaustflanches and master cylinder cap. I´ll see if I can find out how to post the picture. The startercover has normal chromed bolts, no acorn ones.
Hopefully I can buy you a beer sometime as excuse, Bo from sweden
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Why did not you turn on all the lights yesterday? ??? ???
But it does not matter... Here we are just back to the starting point...;D
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If Bo could post one or two photos of this un-stamped cover, it would be concrete proof for alls that there have been some bikes with these covers... (At least one bike ;D ;D :D)
Quite frankly, I can not wait to see this cover on this engine in its original context...:o :o
Bravissimo!
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Hi again!
Bo from sweden again. I´m sorry to have mislead you all. Today when all lights were on I took the brakepoint cover for #24/43 and studied it thouroughly and I´m very sorry to see there is a stamp hidden under dust and dents. WE had at least 24 hours interesting time but now we are back to basic again. I took a Picture of the exhaustflanches and master cylinder cap. I´ll see if I can find out how to post the picture. The startercover has normal chromed bolts, no acorn ones.
Hopefully I can buy you a beer sometime as excuse, Bo from sweden
Bo, super simple to attach pictures.
1. when you open up a new post, click "additional options."
2. Then click "choose file" just to the right of "Attach:"
3. This will take you to the files in your computer so you can select the picture you want to attach to your post to us.
One word of "caution." if the picture you are trying to attach is too large, you probably will not be able to attach it. In that case:
1. right click on the picture, then click on "edit," then click on "pixels" in the "horizontal" space,
2. then type in what pixel size you want to reduce the picture to. (I reduce the pictures i want to post to 1020 pixels.)
3. then "X" out of the picture and click on "save."
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Looks like David Silvers 's workshop to me ! or it has been suggested the Ex-Honda UK man's workshop who is involved with his museum.
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Here is another very cool...
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appears to be relief for brake pedal on #4 exhaust pipe....?
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it would be interesting to know what parts are being fitted to 2110. so far any specific details have not been disclosed. all there has been is a certain amount of sales hype to increase auction fever. or, as is being said by some in America, alternative facts to the actual truth about this machine. i have heard the bike was in quite a state of disrepair and missing parts distinct to a late p-p bike. would be nice to see pics with detail.
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Apparently, the carburetors are not good in comparison to the blue 2113 ??? I hope they have kept them to be able to put them back...
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The bike Vic had was in a lot better shape than this one. The shocks are missing, the fender/mudguard is missing the black speedo cable is missing, the correct kick lever is missing, the fork ears, the headlight, tail light, even the taco cable and original petcock is missing There is a distinct lack of good photos available which is sad or is it deliberate. I'm surprised David Silver has posted the comment he has. It may well be the actual frame and engine and have many original items BUT it's not correct and the missing parts should be clearly stated so people who bid know what they are getting.
Oh! and Steve is correct. it's not a prototype.
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appears to be relief for brake pedal on #4 exhaust pipe....?
Yes I noticed that Steve and Yamiya have stocks of the Lotus Root ones,which would have been way better. I think I would keep the oval rear lamp and Honda C50 indicators, as that's what Honda UK fitted in 1969 to comply with UK regulations. I am hoping it stays in the UK but I bound to be biased. Whatever happens I just hope it doesn't disappear without trace, after the auction.
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The bike Vic had was in a lot better shape than this one. The shocks are missing, the fender/mudguard is missing the black speedo cable is missing, the correct kick lever is missing, the fork ears, the headlight, tail light, even the taco cable and original petcock is missing There is a distinct lack of good photos available which is sad or is it deliberate. I'm surprised David Silver has posted the comment he has. It may well be the actual frame and engine and have many original items BUT it's not correct and the missing parts should be clearly stated so people who bid know what they are getting.
Oh! and Steve is correct. it's not a prototype.
the people associated with putting this motorcycle together seem to be presenting "alternative facts." will undoubtedly be alot of auction hype on this bike.
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Here is another very cool...
Gerard, where did you find that picture? that's the best one yet.
a simple request: when people find pics and if/when you post them, please attach the source
i don't have time to watch the developments on this machine, look for the latest information, so i appreciate all your diligent work!
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With the damage to the gas tank and the replacement fork ears, one would guess that the bike has been wrecked. The front fender has cable guide for speedometer.
DW
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With the damage to the gas tank and the replacement fork ears, one would guess that the bike has been wrecked. The front fender has cable guide for speedometer.
DW
Duane, you are right, it is horrible to watch what they are doing. i often get a kick out of "experts," because they've been given press exposure, think they know something, that their every word is hung on like gospel. they're making the poor bike more of a mess than when they started. trying to make the bike look a silk purse when it's a sow's ear. don't get me wrong, i am not demeaning the bike, it is 1 of 3 holy grails of CB750's. i am demeaning what they are doing to the bike. clearly they think making the bike look complete will create a bidder shit show. everything they're doing will have to be removed or reworked. hopefully they're not altering any of the bike to make production parts fit. assuming the new owner understands what this motorcycle is, he will contact George Beale straightaway.
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These are the best photo's I have seen Steve! These came from a link on Facebook from the H&H guy. I never used to do the likes of FB and was banned by my kids from
using it but alas there are so many useful marque specific groups now that I succumbed :(
For instance I only got to buy a dealer take-off CB500K0 seat from David Silver because I was on his FB site and he offered 1st dibs to his FB buddies.
I had to join this group (I was put onto it by my buddy James Harrington in the UK) BTW the CB72/77 FB site is excellent ..some truly knowledgeable people contributing on there.
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=cb750.com (https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=cb750.com)
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These are the best photo's I have seen Steve! These came from a link on Facebook from the H&H guy. I never used to do the likes of FB and was banned by my kids from
using it but alas there are so many useful marque specific groups now that I succumbed :(
For instance I only got to buy a dealer take-off CB500K0 seat from David Silver because I was on his FB site and he offered 1st dibs to his FB buddies.
I had to join this group (I was put onto it by my buddy James Harrington in the UK) BTW the CB72/77 FB site is excellent ..some truly knowledgeable people contributing on there.
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=cb750.com (https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=cb750.com)
Thanks Ash, for your post. i am enjoying following the fate of this bike. i'm glad i don't have any emotional attachment to 2110 like i did with 2113. the reason i liked 2113 was because it was the bike featured in the color ads in american magazines, and when i was 17, still riding my '67 BSA Lightning, i remember reading during 1968 about the possibility of Honda producing a 4 cylinder motorcycle, and knowing if anyone could make them readily available, it would be Honda. When the 2 page color ads came out, i would study those ads for hours and dream about the possibility of owning one. Some guys had girly pinups on their bedroom walls, i had Honda's color ads pinned up on mine. During 1967, my dad had purchased a 1934 Indian 4, at a farm auction, so i felt the decades old mystique of a four, and also was aware of the technical and design issues in making a 4 cylinder motorcycle that would be reliable, and inexpensive to maintain. MV Agusta, and Munch were already producing four's, but the feasibility of owning one seemed impossible due to their exotic nature, how difficult it would be to get one, and the fact there was no dealer network anywhere even close to the primitive, and remote rural area i lived in. when Honda released those ads, i knew the dream could be a reality, there was a Honda dealer 50 miles from where we lived. and so the dream became a reality, when i took delivery of 4779, on September 30, 1969.
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Ash, ditto Steve. Thanks for posting those extra pics. You're doing a better job than the auctioneers who are charged with the sale. If we didn't have you we'd be no wiser.
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Steve made a really valid point ..us Brits wax lyrical about the 'Brighton bikes' but to a USA guy the green blue survivor must be the one they lusted after.
I will probably be lynched on here for saying this but my passion has always been for the bikes that we had in the UK in Jan 1970 (Oct 69 manufactured diecasts) as these were the first CB750's officially sold here. I am lucky to have one of the first ones imported here, from, I believe the first batch of 20-25. but for you USA guys it would have be a sandcast, as they were the bikes in the shops you ogled over as schoolboys. There was a 5-star Honda dealer right at the top of my street. As small kids in the mid 60's we used to be given the wood from the Honda packing crates to build hut's etc with...I walked home from school in very early '70 and spotted a gleaming candy red 750 in the window of that shop and WOW ! was that an awesome sight.
I am pretty sure when ChrisR reads all of the posts in this thread he will have a chuckle and put me straight on a few facts on the 'Brighton bikes'. Apologies in advance Chris!
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Steve made a really valid point ..us Brits wax lyrical about the 'Brighton bikes' but to a USA guy the green blue survivor must be the one they lusted after.
I will probably be lynched on here for saying this but my passion has always been for the bikes that we had in the UK in Jan 1970 (Oct 69 manufactured diecasts) as these were the first CB750's officially sold here. I am lucky to have one of the first ones imported here, from, I believe the first batch of 20-25. but for you USA guys it would have be a sandcast, as they were the bikes in the shops you ogled over as schoolboys. There was a 5-star Honda dealer right at the top of my street. As small kids in the mid 60's we used to be given the wood from the Honda packing crates to build hut's etc with...I walked home from school in very early '70 and spotted a gleaming candy red 750 in the window of that shop and WOW ! was that an awesome sight.
I am pretty sure when ChrisR reads all of the posts in this thread he will have a chuckle and put me straight on a few facts on the 'Brighton bikes'. Apologies in advance Chris!
Ash, what you say, i give you a pat on the back and thumbs up!
"When Britain first at Heaven's command, Arose from out the azure main, This was the charter of the land, And guardian angels sung this strain; "Rule Britannia! Rule the waves; Britons never will be slaves." James Thomson
But... those silly blokes had all but blown up their motorcycle industry by 1969. i remember those sad early 70's years well......
God Save the Queen. Hear, Hear!
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There was l believe only one Gold pp bike in Europe in 1969. The high handlebars were changed for lower ones at the request of the first owner. The master cylinder was changed at the same time along with the metal brake pipe which could not be used of course with lower handlebars. This is the reason that pictures exist of this bike with two different types of handlebar and master cylinder.
This information was told to me by the Honda mechanic who carried out this work in 1969. He is now 90 years old with an amazing memory.
I now have the original master cylinder and metal brake pipe which he had kept in his workshop since 1969.
Chris R.
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The Brighton Bike sale is exciting to follow and make me extremely curious to learn more about its history & story.
Thanks for sharing Chris, great stuff!
DW
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The Brighton Bike sale is exciting to follow and make me extremely curious to learn more about its history & story.
Thanks for sharing Chris, great stuff!
DW
did anyone see the auction countdown clock i posted in general discussion?
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Hi Steve,
Yes I did. Very nice to put up the countdown clock.
Joe K.
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There was l believe only one Gold pp bike in Europe in 1969. The high handlebars were changed for lower ones at the request of the first owner. The master cylinder was changed at the same time along with the metal brake pipe which could not be used of course with lower handlebars. This is the reason that pictures exist of this bike with two different types of handlebar and master cylinder.
This information was told to me by the Honda mechanic who carried out this work in 1969. He is now 90 years old with an amazing memory.
I now have the original master cylinder and metal brake pipe which he had kept in his workshop since 1969.
Chris R.
Cheers Chris ..Excellent facts as always ...do you happen to know if the bike featured in the 28th Feb '69 BBC 'Wheelbase' programme was the Gold or Green bike?
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No idea Ash, and of course it is not so easy to work it out visually when the images in question are in black/white. HOWEVER, one distinguishing feature of the Gold pp bike is that the front indicators fitted back in 1969 (appearing still to be present in the pre-auction pictures) are C50 type with lens' which are more pointed than the usual CB750 type.
Chris R.
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More pics today from H&H auction house.
Wayne put them right on Facebook that its not a 'prototype' !
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Am is seeing straight, is the tach from a K0 Diecast?
DW
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More pics today from H&H auction house.
Wayne put them right on Facebook that its not a 'prototype' !
I’ve learned a lot since joining this group Ash. 😎
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Am is seeing straight, is the tach from a K0 Diecast?
DW
There are certainly some differences from 2113. Cable is different for sure.
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Am is seeing straight, is the tach from a K0 Diecast?
DW
Duane, you ARE seeing straight. Nifty rear shocks, too. Cannot imagine they are representing bike as correct original. Wonder if they have engine running? All of what we're saying set aside, truly amazing to see 2110 in the sunlight. Very much a sandcast privilege of a lifetime.
If we're lucky, someone amongst our midst will win the auction and share more about the bike.
Wayne, if you have time, would be nice of you to create a page for 2110, like you created for 2113.... :)
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I thought I would post this article with the background on the Pre-production bike Vic sold in 2014, as the article is very informative on the condition of PP 2113 before Vic passionately brought it to its current state.
I love to hear the stories behind these rare finds and details around the effort and care it takes to bring them back to life. I am not sure this is the right place to post the link, but I think it directly relates to the upcoming sale of the Brighton bike. Hope others that have not read this article enjoy the read.
I am sure most of the regular contributors has read this, but posting the link, for others who may not have seen this article. I am sure looking forward to more information and history on PP2110.
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/news/honda-cb750-sandcast-prototype (https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/news/honda-cb750-sandcast-prototype)
I sure hope the new owner of PP2110 is passionate about bringing the bike back to correct/original condition, as Vic was with 2113. PP2110 new owner will have to invest much time an energy to make that happen.
There must be a lot of history with 2110, and I for one, can't wait to hear more of this story unfold in the coming months.
Very exciting time for CB750 enthusiasts!!
Duane
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I thought I would post this article with the background on the Pre-production bike Vic sold in 2014, as the article is very informative on the condition of PP 2113 before Vic passionately brought it to its current state.
I love to hear the stories behind these rare finds and details around the effort and care it takes to bring them back to life. I am not sure this is the right place to post the link, but I think it directly relates to the upcoming sale of the Brighton bike. Hope others that have not read this article enjoy the read.
I am sure most of the regular contributors has read this, but posting the link, for others who may not have seen this article. I am sure looking forward to more information and history on PP2110.
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/news/honda-cb750-sandcast-prototype (https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/news/honda-cb750-sandcast-prototype)
I sure hope the new owner of PP2110 is passionate about bringing the bike back to correct/original condition, as Vic was with 2113. PP2110 new owner will have to invest much time an energy to make that happen.
There must be a lot of history with 2110, and I for one, can't wait to hear more of this story unfold in the coming months.
Very exciting time for CB750 enthusiasts!!
Duane
Thanks for your post, Duane! the carbs have the primary circuitry adjusting screw in the front of the slide bore, so this is a gas screw, which is opposite of the production carbs having an air adjusting screw behind the slide bore.
and the 36 hole front/rim.
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Steve,
If my memory is correct the top of the carb caps on PP bikes were also numbered 1-4.
Best,
DW
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Steve,
If my memory is correct the top of the carb caps on PP bikes were also numbered 1-4.
Best,
DW
Duane, i recall seeing something looking like markings on these pp carb caps, but don't remember being able to make out what the marking is. i seem to not be remembering less and less these days.... do you remember what source where you saw those markings?
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Steve,
I am looking for all the photos I saved from the eBay posting, but here is one view that shows the 1 on top carb number 1. (See attached photo) Again, if my memory is correct all 4 were marked, may be wrong? ??? Still looking for more photos.
I am thinking the carb boots also have a distinction from production boots.
Best,
DW
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Steve,
I am looking for all the photos I saved from the eBay posting, but here is one view that shows the 1 on top carb number 1. (See attached photo) Again, if my memory is correct all 4 were marked, may be wrong? ??? Still looking for more photos.
I am thinking the carb boots also have a distinction from production boots.
Best,
DW
Agreed, that certainly looks like a "1" Duane! until i read the 2014 Motorcyclist article, i had totally forgot these carbs had a gas screw, not an air screw. and, that 36 hole front hub/rim.
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i was just in the website "Machine Types" and had forgotten how many pictures i had uploaded into the website back in 2004. Really some very good stuff, and alot of blah-blah-blah i wrote too!
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i was just in the website "Machine Types" and had forgotten how many pictures i had uploaded into the website back in 2004. Really some very good stuff, and alot of blah-blah-blah i wrote too!
I 'doff my cap' (old English expression) to you Mr.Swan for all of your stirling efforts.
This is a quote from Gerald Davison of Honda UK
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More pics posted on H&H's site
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Here is advertising video for Sale by auction at The National Motorcycle Museum :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v5YV4UcC7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v5YV4UcC7o)
This advertising banner at bottom appears at the wrong time, so hard to see if the points cover is marked "Made in Japan" but I think it is recent with a marking...
A stop on picture at 0:50 just before the attack of the banner, the cover is well marked "Made in Japan"
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Here is advertising video for Sale by auction at The National Motorcycle Museum :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v5YV4UcC7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v5YV4UcC7o)
This advertising banner at bottom appears at the wrong time, so hard to see if the points cover is marked "Made in Japan" but I think it is recent with a marking...
A stop on picture at 0:50 just before the attack of the banner, the cover is well marked "Made in Japan"
Thanks Gerard for posting the video, about made me feel like puking. i clicked out of the video when i saw the fuel tap lever in the partially open position. for whatever reason, between seeing the lever partially open and the shitty music, i was disgusted. not much else to say except more media hype promulgated by jackasses. as if we don't get enough of that already here in the usa. so, ask me how i really feel.
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Even in the condition that PP2110 currently sits in, I bet it brings more than £40,000. IMHO
DW
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Interesting to see something other than pictures One really would't know, without inspecting the bike very very methodically, what is or isn't original to this bike.The rear indicator lens is of a later era as the DOT sticker gives it away as does the double row of writing on the lens, and have a look at the RH top triple clamp bolt. Something from the local hardware shop I suspect. The Made in Japan points cover is very obvious in the video. The shocks have been pointed out previously but they are really evident in the video
It's all about the fine print as well
Lets say this bike bids to 50,000. We have then to pay a buyers premium of 12.5% then VAT at 20% (I believe foreign buyers don't have to pay the VAT). Is the VAT calculated before or after the buyers premium. Final price will be (with VAT calculated after buyers premium) 67,500 pound or at the very least 66,250 (Around US$94,000) :o
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I imagine it'll either be a bargain or a bust. I can't imagine it would sell less than 40,000 GBP.. That would be around $54,000 USD. i wouldn't be surprised if it sold for $60k or more.
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What I know of 2110...
Acquired by current owners some 30 years ago. Last used on UK roads back in 1977. So, after its road test life was used for about 8 years - worth remembering that mostly back then motorcycles were used as year round transport in a climate which is not generally kind to chrome and alloy!
So, it had lived a life when found.... In addition to changes made during its road test life (carbs changed to production set to enable balancing to cure poor running, as reported in Motorcycle Sport report on 1969 Isle of Man TT testing), and changes when first sold in Sept. 1969 (master cylinder, metal brake pipe, brake Union, rear light and number plate brake),it suffered wear and tear resulting in exhausts being changed (likely rotted out), points cover changed due to crash damage, etc.
Whether the rear shocks were changed, I do not recall. I know these things having been privileged to know the owner these last 30 years, during which time we discussed the bike many times. We also compiled pages of notes about its "differences" as compared to production bikes during this time, and way before the discovery of 2113. Unfortunately those notes are at home, some 12,000 miles away presently, hence I can comment no further at this time.
I will be at the auction to crawl around 2110, and maybe even to bid.
Quite a lot has been debated here about correctness of 2110, and the way it has been publicised. Personally I think the auction house have done a poor job. Pictures have appeared in different places and at different times not all of which are actually on the auction house web site. When I requested further information via their web site they did not even bother to reply.
It should however be acknowledged that the guys who have loosely reassembled 2110 to enable it to be sold have done a pretty good job given the circumstances. Their starting point was a restored basic rolling chassis (frame, forks, wheels) with basic engine fitted (sump, alt cover, gear change cover not fitted). The remainder of the bike was located in several sheds, smaller items being boxed. With no photographic record of 2110 prior to strip down, the now deceased owner was the only person who truly knew where all the original parts were. Furthermore, the guys who re-assembled the bike have no connection to the auction house, and therefore any suggestion of mis-representation should not be attributed to these guys; they have merely tried to assist the late owner's wife at a difficult time.
Let's hope that the new owner is someone who wants it for what it is as opposed to for investment reasons, and that unlike 2113, we get to see it again after the auction.
Chris R.
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Great information Chris.
Thanks,
DW
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Well said Chris
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Pictures follow of the original master cylinder, brake pipe, etc, removed from 2110 in 1969, which I was able to acquire some years ago.....
Chris R.
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And now the master cylinder itself....
Chris R.
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Chris,
That is so cool that you have these parts in your possession, almost 50 years ago they were born.
You are the right person to hold these unique pieces of history, with your knowledge of the bike.
Best,
DW
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I still can't believe we only got such a fleeting glance of the 750 in this. I think the one raised up on the turntable was the green pp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EszC7DBt-XU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EszC7DBt-XU)
Mind you the CB450K0 was described as a 'BSA Golden 500' in this clip !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqX-u6tyEpI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqX-u6tyEpI)
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I still can't believe we only got such a fleeting glance of the 750 in this. I think the one raised up on the turntable was the green pp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EszC7DBt-XU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EszC7DBt-XU)
Mind you the CB450K0 was described as a 'BSA Golden 500' in this clip !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqX-u6tyEpI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqX-u6tyEpI)
Ash ! Great stuff !! THANK YOU !
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Agreed that the green one was on the turntable based on the front indicator lens fitted.
Chris R.
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Agreed that the green one was on the turntable based on the front indicator lens fitted.
good call chris lol
i was always lead to believe that was the gold bike simply because it was called the brighton bike on compareing the honda with the earlier pics of a greaves scrambler which we all know had green fibreglass tank i tend too agree
the gold honda was the first ever pics i saw of a cb750 and never saw a real one untill much later. so the sale of this bike today spans the whole of my interests in the honda cb750
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£140k Wow !
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156 870 EUR / 193 211 USD + the taxes on the sale !!
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UK based winning bidder I understand.
Chris R.
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156 870,71 EUR / 193 211,38 USD + the taxes on the sale !!
= under $223k usd
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the value of 2113 just went up to 500k usd. and the value of production bikes just increased by anywhere from 10% to 25% or more.
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the value of 2113 just went up to 500k usd. and the value of production bikes just increased by anywhere from 10% to 25% or more.
I do not think we can make relationships for the sales of pre-production bikes with the values of production bikes...
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the value of 2113 just went up to 500k usd. and the value of production bikes just increased by anywhere from 10% to 25% or more.
I do not think we can make relationships for the sales of pre-production bikes with the values of production bikes...
Gerard, i respectfully disagree with you, however i do not have time to write my rationale. Time will tell. We shall see. Wouldn't be the first time i am wrong.
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I suspect early frame number bikes will be more sought after given there are no current PP bikes for sale I would like to know more about the green PP
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I suspect early frame number bikes will be more sought after given there are no current PP bikes for sale I would like to know more about the green PP
Could it be that the green pp bike was kept by Honda UK and subsequently dismantled Kerry? Just a hunch but the carb person definitely had a sandcast bottom end at one time, which had been in the UK since the early days and almost certainly from the same source and time-frame as the carbs. Unlikely that many sandcast engines would be around in the UK over 45+ years ago. I will try to investigate more.
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Gerard, i respectfully disagree with you, however i do not have time to write my rationale. Time will tell. We shall see. Wouldn't be the first time i am wrong.
By cons I agree with you enough that the very small numbers below thirty may actually take value but perhaps I did not understand because the translator often marks me anything... :) ;)
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Could it be that the green pp bike was kept by Honda UK and subsequently dismantled Kerry? Just a hunch but the carb person definitely had a sandcast bottom end at one time, which had been in the UK since the early days and almost certainly from the same source and time-frame as the carbs. Unlikely that many sandcast engines would be around in the UK over 45+ years ago. I will try to investigate more.
Interesting Ash. I did hear years ago that it is owned by someone in Europe but nothing supports that as no evidence . You may be on t something. Those carbs are a real turn up and even if they are found to be 350 raciing two pair of those would be as correct as one could get I believe. Yes, please keep the good detective work up. Between you and Chris the club we have is enriched by both of you. Non dementors 😊
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It’s a bit crystal ball 🔮 to say what will happen re prices but I do think single digit and double digit will move, double digit more so as singles are rarely if ever for sale. Low triples to say 500 would also be affected. Nevertheless a low mile unrestored bike will always bring big $$$$$$$
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It’s a bit crystal ball 🔮 to say what will happen re prices but I do think single digit and double digit will move, double digit more so as singles are rarely if ever for sale. Low triples to say 500 would also be affected. Nevertheless a low mile unrestored bike will always bring big $$$$$$$
Quiz Question #1: How many distinctions are there between the lowest digit vin we know and say, vin 250?
Quiz Question #2: What are these distinctions?
perhaps we should give a prize to the winner...?
Hint: i do not know the most possible numbers and types of distinctions.
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I would be guessing but I think probably not many because they still randomly used the early bits on bikes even further. Scolloped exhaust spigots on E342 F244. Maybe the waffle cam cover and the solid rear hub, maybe the hand dented frame for air box but my overall thoughts are none 😊 Bo being the owner of many low fram numbered bikes could possibly add a few The man with the mostest 😜
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i think the 10mm rotor bolt. and one of the bolts on rear of case that bolt cases together.
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i think the 10mm rotor bolt. and one of the bolts on rear of case that bolt cases together.
i just went to "Production Models" in the website. an incredible amount of great info on engines i loaded back in the day. and a huge THANK YOU to Chris for loading all the chassis data.
here's what i logged on the rear case bolt.
Bolt, hex 8x80 - 1 - 140 - 92100-08080-0S
Bolt, hex 10x82 - 141 - 7414 - 90048-300-000
(Bolt located in LH rear corner crankcase)
Per 69/7 manual, these two different bolts are indicated as used on 1 - 7414, however the reference number for small bolt is "10" and the reference number for the large bolt is "10A"
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i think the 10mm rotor bolt. and one of the bolts on rear of case that bolt cases together.
i just went to "Production Models" in the website. an incredible amount of great info on engines i loaded back in the day.
here's what i logged on the rear case bolt.
Bolt, hex 8x80 - 1 - 140 - 92100-08080-0S
Bolt, hex 10x82 - 141 - 7414 - 90048-300-000
(Bolt located in LH rear corner crankcase)
Per 69/7 manual, these two different bolts are indicated as used on 1 - 7414, however the reference number for small bolt is "10" and the reference number for the large bolt is "10A"
here's what i loaded for the rotor bolt
Crankshaft, complete - 1 - 1080 - 10 mm threaded hole for rotor fixing bolt
Crankshaft, complete - 1081 - 7414 - 12 mm threaded hole for fixing bolt
1-1080 - bolt, rotor set - (10 mm)
1081-7414 - bolt, rotor set (12 mm)
1-1080 - Washer, 10mm
1081 - 7414 - Washer, 12mm
Who else can contribute?
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Could it be that the green pp bike was kept by Honda UK and subsequently dismantled Kerry? Just a hunch but the carb person definitely had a sandcast bottom end at one time, which had been in the UK since the early days and almost certainly from the same source and time-frame as the carbs. Unlikely that many sandcast engines would be around in the UK over 45+ years ago. I will try to investigate more.
Interesting Ash. I did hear years ago that it is owned by someone in Europe but nothing supports that as no evidence . You may be on t something. Those carbs are a real turn up and even if they are found to be 350 raciing two pair of those would be as correct as one could get I believe. Yes, please keep the good detective work up. Between you and Chris the club we have is enriched by both of you. Non dementors 😊
Kind words .. I often feel a bit of an imposter on here though Steve .. as I am only a humble, albeit very early, diecast owner. The whole thing fascinates me and you guys have such detailed knowledge that coming on this site you get drawn into the discussion as if mesmerised by the eyes of Kaa the snake in the Jungle Book (original version of course). :)
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Could it be that the green pp bike was kept by Honda UK and subsequently dismantled Kerry? Just a hunch but the carb person definitely had a sandcast bottom end at one time, which had been in the UK since the early days and almost certainly from the same source and time-frame as the carbs. Unlikely that many sandcast engines would be around in the UK over 45+ years ago. I will try to investigate more.
Interesting Ash. I did hear years ago that it is owned by someone in Europe but nothing supports that as no evidence . You may be on t something. Those carbs are a real turn up and even if they are found to be 350 raciing two pair of those would be as correct as one could get I believe. Yes, please keep the good detective work up. Between you and Chris the club we have is enriched by both of you. Non dementors 😊
Kind words .. I often feel a bit of an imposter on here though Steve .. as I am only a humble, albeit very early, diecast owner. The whole thing fascinates me and you guys have such detailed knowledge that coming on this site you get drawn into the discussion as if mesmerised by the eyes of Kaa the snake in the Jungle Book (original version of course). :)
We need to find you a sandcast, Ash !
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Hi my friends!
I have made a bunch of photos of ”odd” details found on E43 during my restore. These photos will be posted in about a week. Since my next sandcast is picked-up I can tell you I will get 31/66 to sweden in a month. I have all wrong parts in stock to bring it backt what it was from beginning. However, I am going to keep it as a running patina-bike. I will also post some pictures of #180/302 and #388/407 since all are of the range 19- litres, early gauges and so on.
Be patient, pictures comes, Bo.
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Hi my friends!
I have made a bunch of photos of ”odd” details found on E43 during my restore. These photos will be posted in about a week. Since my next sandcast is picked-up I can tell you I will get 31/66 to sweden in a month. I have all wrong parts in stock to bring it backt what it was from beginning. However, I am going to keep it as a running patina-bike. I will also post some pictures of #180/302 and #388/407 since all are of the range 19- litres, early gauges and so on.
Be patient, pictures comes, Bo.
Fantastik! Bravissimo! Fantastic! Fantastisch!
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Fantastik! Bravissimo! Fantastic! Fantastisch!
You forgot Sandtastic Jimmy 😊
Great Bo. You’ve made some interesting finds my friend. KP
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Fantastik! Bravissimo! Fantastic! Fantastisch!
You forgot Sandtastic Jimmy 😊
Great Bo. You’ve made some interesting finds my friend. KP
;D 8) ;D 8) ;D 8) ;D
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m no expert but I agree with some of the earlier comments about the values of the production bikes going up in a significant way. As I watched the action, I noticed it was not typical auction with two or three bidders with egos duking it out. There were many bidders in rapid fire progression from $70,000 right up to its selling price. There was a huge interest in this bike. But there are only two or three pre production examples out there. The next best thing is the first production VIN in existence to the last sandcast built, pretty much but not necessarily in that order. They are great bikes to own and they aren’t making any more of them. So far there hasn’t been a lot of public hype about the record sale price but as the news oozes out the interest in the production bikes should go up. I have seen at places like Barrett Jackson when a highly collectible car like a highly optioned camaro goes for a stunning price, it always seems to bring up the prices of the more run of the mill camaros. It’s kind of an apples and oranges analogy but it seems when people can’t get the best, they will usually pony up a little more for what they can get, in this case, any sandcast bike that becomes available. But who knows, that’s just my opinion. Sorry for being a little wordy.
Gregg
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I just scanned this for someone:-
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sv4gfc8t9a4uk1x/750_MclSport.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/sv4gfc8t9a4uk1x/750_MclSport.pdf?dl=0)
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Great article Ash!
Look at the tank trim, never notice this before, looks just like the K1-k6 trim. PP2113 & PP2110 both came with this style trim, then it disappeared for several years. Interesting.
DW
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Here are some pictures at the moment the 2113 was found, unpublished for some I think...
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Here is an article on the sale of PP2110 from Hemming's Motor News.
Wonder what PP2113 would bring at auction today?
DW
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hemmings.com_r_ct_MTM3OTQwOjgwNDA2ODYxOjVWVmFzbFJoenBJ_www_blog_2018_03_07_1968-2Dhonda-2Dcb750-2Dfour-2Dprototype-2Dsets-2Dauction-2Drecord-2Dfor-2Da-2Djapanese-2Dmotorcycle_-3Frefer-3Dnews&d=DwMBaQ&c=rKcR87XD2bn3vfHr9ZGyMg&r=78DqgeFddx2LUPfg-A8ZqsPOPG_eR2BXohDWZhPxGE0&m=ACo2kXLxvSCF_L0gTkMNfBT4SA5TwRR1zH1jW02FA8c&s=uI7Y3Dxr0xtwXSTnzTR_G6w9WZ5scPFCMzWT_JE2OyQ&e= (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hemmings.com_r_ct_MTM3OTQwOjgwNDA2ODYxOjVWVmFzbFJoenBJ_www_blog_2018_03_07_1968-2Dhonda-2Dcb750-2Dfour-2Dprototype-2Dsets-2Dauction-2Drecord-2Dfor-2Da-2Djapanese-2Dmotorcycle_-3Frefer-3Dnews&d=DwMBaQ&c=rKcR87XD2bn3vfHr9ZGyMg&r=78DqgeFddx2LUPfg-A8ZqsPOPG_eR2BXohDWZhPxGE0&m=ACo2kXLxvSCF_L0gTkMNfBT4SA5TwRR1zH1jW02FA8c&s=uI7Y3Dxr0xtwXSTnzTR_G6w9WZ5scPFCMzWT_JE2OyQ&e=)
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Here is an article on the sale of PP2110 from Hemming's Motor News.
Wonder what PP2113 would bring at auction today?
DW
Interesting Duane. That should generate some interest in Sandcasts given this is the publication most collectors read