Honda CB750 Sandcast

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ashimotok0 on September 29, 2018, 02:52:42 pm

Title: The Brighton bike fully 'restored' ?????
Post by: ashimotok0 on September 29, 2018, 02:52:42 pm
Hmm ...jury out on this one !
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Post by: kp on September 29, 2018, 03:39:23 pm
 :o :o :o :o ::) ::) ::) :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: Joe K on September 29, 2018, 06:19:27 pm
I don't understand why they restored it.  Lost all of its original patina, etc.  I can't imagine it ever being worth as much as they recently paid for it in original condition.

Joe K.
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Post by: tomcourtney on September 29, 2018, 07:30:36 pm
Ok three down one to go..... Where is the Green one?
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Post by: ashimotok0 on September 30, 2018, 02:49:17 am
I only studied one silencer (muffler) closely but it was stamped HMCB750....The type fitted to early diecasts for German and possibly other non-US,Non-UK bikes. I could be wrong but I think these were the pipes fitted when it was auctioned. Owner not remotely interested in the pair of original(confirmed) carbs I had from it and showed him. This is all  a real shame. I can just picture Mr. Swan crying into his beer (and rightly so) when he reads this post.
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Post by: kp on September 30, 2018, 03:32:23 am
Hearing that info Ash, all I can say is that's disappointing
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Post by: 4pots1969 on September 30, 2018, 05:24:37 am
It must be said that this guy does not have the same vision and the same approach to Sandcasts as you guys who are passionate ....And it is certain that it is better not to touch anything rather than to arrive at such a bad result...But I'm sure he's happy with what he did ... (or destroyed !!) ;D ;D
And for the HMCB750, they were originally designed for the market French & German and they equipped the Sandcasts, then the K0 and finally the K1...
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Post by: Steve Swan on September 30, 2018, 12:47:17 pm
I only studied one silencer (muffler) closely but it was stamped HMCB750....The type fitted to early diecasts for German and possibly other non-US,Non-UK bikes. I could be wrong but I think these were the pipes fitted when it was auctioned. Owner not remotely interested in the pair of original(confirmed) carbs I had from it and showed him. This is all  a real shame. I can just picture Mr. Swan crying into his beer (and rightly so) when he reads this post.

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: hondasan on September 30, 2018, 03:49:25 pm
At the time of its auction, 2110 was part restored and as such its restoration had to be completed. Sadly a number of incorrect pattern parts have been used. The owners have given the impression that originality is of limited importance, both in their response to Ash as reported above, and in conversation with myself.
Having kept its original master cylinder and metal rake pipe for many years now in the hope of it being re-united with the bike, I have concluded that that these items are better placed elsewhere. They are leaving the UK tomorrow on their way to a new appreciative owner.

Chris R. :( :( :( :(
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Post by: Joe K on September 30, 2018, 10:03:09 pm
It sounds like the guy who owns the bike is wealthy and isn't concerned about the originality, museum or resale value.  Just knowing that it is one of the first bikes of a very historic run.  Restoring it and enjoying for what it is.  A one of three of kind pre-production bike.  Oh well life is short.  To each their own I suppose.  It was sure exciting to see how much he paid for it.

Joe K.
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Post by: kp on October 01, 2018, 04:40:36 am
At the time of its auction, 2110 was part restored and as such its restoration had to be completed. Sadly a number of incorrect pattern parts have been used. The owners have given the impression that originality is of limited importance, both in their response to Ash as reported above, and in conversation with myself.
Having kept its original master cylinder and metal rake pipe for many years now in the hope of it being re-united with the bike, I have concluded that that these items are better placed elsewhere. They are leaving the UK tomorrow on their way to a new appreciative owner.

Chris R. :( :( :( :(
Well done Chris. The owner of 2110 deserves nothing less, or should that be nothing more. Also, despite spending thousands with a well known UK Honda parts seller over the years, I won't buy another item from them, ever.
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Post by: Gregg on October 01, 2018, 07:34:50 pm
I don’t think the jury is out on this anymore. Guilty of a bad decision to neither leave it as purchased or to restoring back as close to its original condition as possible.
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Post by: Steve Swan on October 01, 2018, 11:38:42 pm
slam, bam, thank you ma'am.
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Post by: Sam on October 02, 2018, 10:22:59 am
This is a real shame. Lots of history lost by what this guy did.
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Post by: 4pots1969 on October 02, 2018, 11:13:54 am
She has lost half of its historical value... But he will understand better his mistake if he tries to resell it someday...
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Post by: hondasan on October 02, 2018, 01:40:31 pm
Very aptly put Gerard.


The one upside of this is that 2110 has re-surfaced after 35 years or so in hiding. Shame that the opportunity to do it correctly has been lost.


Chris R.
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Post by: benjixt on October 04, 2018, 12:35:25 am
Hello
in One Word
A Mess....

Lost for eternity

Benji
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Post by: Sgt.Pinback on October 04, 2018, 01:35:50 am
Sad  ::)
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Post by: 4pots1969 on October 04, 2018, 10:46:18 am
To continue on the same subject of pre prod ...
The Candy Blue has the number 2113, the Candy Yellow has the number 2110 and for the Candy Red
it is the number 2111 and the Candy Green is the number 2112, where the opposite??
The red has been destroyed, but for the green that was in the USA (?) Is it possible to trace it if you
know someone working at the registration of US cars and motorcycles?

Where then we could send a message with a photo on social networks ;D ;D :D :D

"Hey man, if you have this bike in the bottom of your barn... You are a rich!!"





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Post by: Steve Swan on October 04, 2018, 12:52:11 pm
To continue on the same subject of pre prod ...
The Candy Blue has the number 2113, the Candy Yellow has the number 2110 and for the Candy Red
it is the number 2111 and the Candy Green is the number 2112, where the opposite??
The red has been destroyed, but for the green that was in the USA (?) Is it possible to trace it if you
know someone working at the registration of US cars and motorcycles?

Where then we could send a message with a photo on social networks ;D ;D :D :D

"Hey man, if you have this bike in the bottom of your barn... You are a rich!!"

Hey Gerard!  i did not know we knew the number of the green bike?  how did you learn the green bike's number is 2112?






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Post by: 4pots1969 on October 04, 2018, 01:03:55 pm
I did not say he had the number 2112, but the 2112 or the 2111...
I do not know ... It's just a deduction that seems logical to me...
2111 or 2112 because in the order 2110, 2111, 2112 and 2113 or 2110, 2111, 2112, and 2113 no ??  
Since it is missing two numbers between 2110 and 2113...                                              
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Post by: hondasan on October 04, 2018, 01:50:46 pm
The "missing" green bike was sent from the US to the UK for display at the Brighton Show April 1969 at the same time as the Gold bike 2110. It appears to have disappeared after that show. There have been suggestions that it went to France after the show, but there is no evidence to support this. Maybe it is in a barn in France then?

Chris
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Post by: kp on October 04, 2018, 04:41:25 pm
It's just a deduction that seems logical to me...
2111 or 2112 because in the order 2110, 2111, 2112 and 2113 or 2110, 2111, 2112, and 2113 no ??                                               
Har Har  Your artwork did  not go unnoticed  mon ami :D :D
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Post by: 4pots1969 on October 04, 2018, 05:11:12 pm
Har Har  Your artwork did  not go unnoticed  mon ami :D :D

Do not be jealous of my art Kp...;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D