Honda CB750 Sandcast
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wayne on January 10, 2013, 08:42:21 pm
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What do you folks think the loom tags are made of on the wiring harness's? I'm going to print some 0400 tags up hopefully and thought it would be simple stupid to find the materials. :-\ It looks to me to be 7 mil white vinyl. Figured I could just find some 8.5 x 11 sheets, some waterproof black ink and print away! Not as easy as it sounds. I have scoured the internet for sources for the vinyl. Any ideas? I have my template made up pretty well ready for printing.
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I would be interested in purchasing a tag if you make extras. As for a material, I think the sheets that they use to cover the wings on radio controlled airplanes might work.
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You're welcome to a tag if I get them made Ken. RC kits contain Polyethylene (PE) film. It's shrink wrap. Not quite the same.
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I just took a look at my loom and it appears i have the same type, being as mine is in nice condition i think i will re-wrap it , nothing else needs doing to it, but i would love to have a nice new tag if your making some up wayne, please put me on the i want one list
Pete
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I just took a look at my loom and it appears i have the same type, being as mine is in nice condition i think i will re-wrap it , nothing else needs doing to it, but i would love to have a nice new tag if your making some up wayne, please put me on the i want one list
Pete
Will do Pete. Must be nice to have a near perfect 0400 loom. :)
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Put me down for 1 tag Wayne, Thanks!!!
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Put me down for 1 tag Wayne, Thanks!!!
Will do! I may have located a product to print on that is very close. My original tag is 7 mils thick. I found an 8 mil vinyl. We may be in business! :)
Now I have to find some dry black tape, .75" wide and I should be able to turn out a fairly close reproduction of the 0400 harness. :) Plan is to take the new Honda harness, unwrap it, remove the extra 2 wires at the headlamp sleeve, take it apart where necessary and add sleeves as per the 0400 harness, wrap it back up with dry black tape and as my friend Mark would say...."Bob's your Uncle" you have a a new looking 0400 harness.
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as my friend Mark would say...."Bob's your Uncle".........
I believe that's KP's line.... ;D
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Thats used to be popular saying here in the UK, no idea where it came from
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I just took a look at my loom and it appears i have the same type, being as mine is in nice condition i think i will re-wrap it , nothing else needs doing to it, but i would love to have a nice new tag if your making some up wayne, please put me on the i want one list
Pete
Will do Pete. Must be nice to have a near perfect 0400 loom. :)
If you look at my loom it appears to be really rough but i described it as good condition based on the fact everything electrical worked on the bike, all the connectors are clean with minimal corrosion, apart from the connector to the alternator which was stuck together and got scuffed up real bad while prising it apart, i feel that a re wrap and a new block connector for the alternator connection ( if i can find one without the safety clip on like the newer ones have~) and it will be good to go, however now reading about old looms it might be wise to go down the same route as you wayne and adapt the 050 loom and re-tag it 0400, then it would be new and suit the restoration theme of getting everything as good as i can,
Pete
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as my friend Mark would say...."Bob's your Uncle".........
I believe that's KP's line.... ;D
It is, but I borrowed it from him and use it a lot. ;D ;D
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Has anyone been able to source some 3/4 wide, 4 mil thick, dry black vinyl tape? I found this guy on Ebay and the product appears to be bang on. He usually has 3/4" but is sold out and won't have any for 2 to 3 months. I found another source last week but they only ship UPS. UPS from the USA charges us a $40.00 minimum brokerage fee on top of the shipping and taxes! Expensive tape. :( Saw lots of others on the net but they are not as close as this product. I even thought about buying the wider stuff, making a guide with a razor blade cutter and cutting it to the correct width.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Inch-Non-Adhesive-Dry-Vinyl-Wiring-Harness-Electrical-Tape-c-Packard-Delphi-/290781718894?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43b3f0e96e&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Inch-Non-Adhesive-Dry-Vinyl-Wiring-Harness-Electrical-Tape-c-Packard-Delphi-/290781718894?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43b3f0e96e&vxp=mtr)
As for the vinyl for the loom tags, I THINK I found a product that is very close. Thickness is almost bang on, it's non adhesive and white. This guy is the only place I can find with 16 ft rolls and cheap. Everyone else has 100 ft rolls and they are very expensive. Problem is, this guy does not take questions on his Ebay sales so I can't get a shipping quote to Canada or ensure that he will ship via USPS and not the dreaded "Brown". (again that $40.00 brokerage fee)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360487534846 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360487534846)
The joys of living in Canada. Some products are harder to find up here and shipping from the USA can sometimes be a pain. I'll keep digging. If anyone finds any sources please let me know. I would love to do up a repop 0400 harness ASAP and see if it passes the A.S.S. exam! ;)
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Hi Wayne , i was looking through my file of receipts from my F2 restoration as i remembered using 19mm pvc non adhesive loom tape, here is the place i got it from www.vehicleproducts.co.uk (http://www.vehicleproducts.co.uk)
Pete
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Hi Wayne , i was looking through my file of receipts from my F2 restoration as i remembered using 19mm pvc non adhesive loom tape, here is the place i got it from www.vehicleproducts.co.uk (http://www.vehicleproducts.co.uk)
Pete
Thanks Pete! Looks like they have a few items I need! :)
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OK, loom tape ordered, check, sleeving, check. Just have to get the 8 mil white vinyl for the tag and I'll be putting together my first 0400 harness. Fingers crossed. I'll be putting the tag to a few severe outdoor type tests. I think I'll even torture it in the Dishwasher and see what happens. ;) (not on Pot Scrubber cycle)
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I found what I believe should be the correct vinyl for the tags. Couldn't order it as the seller would not do a BUY NOW to Canada. Come on down there in the USA, shipping to Canada is easy! Lighten up! Anyway, Steve was kind enough to order it for me and will ship it up when received. Just have to get some waterproof ink and get the template all set up to print. :)
I did notice that Pete's tag has more of a textured finish and mine is smooth like white vinyl tape. I'm not sure why on that one ??? ???
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Wayne, i've seen both textured and smooth white finishes. Seems the smooth white is more famiiar to me.
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Ya'll problably know this, but I'll mention it anyway. When cleaning your brass connectors, just dip them in CLR for a few seconds. They will come out looking new.
I need to replace on my harness the large black tube going into my headlight (it's cracked) Where can I get some of this tubing?
Best regards,
Conrad
PS, just bought another sandcast 5622. Will register with Steve soon. Looks like my K0 on ebay will sell today. It's up to 12.5k.
Sorry, my bad CL!
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"When cleaning your brass connectors, just dip them in LCR for a few seconds."
I'll probably wish I hadn't asked this when it becomes blindingly obvious.....but..... LCR?
What's that?
Mick...........kettle738
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I noticed that as well Mick. Wonder if he means CLR??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqvDD_L7Y_M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqvDD_L7Y_M#)
Got my tape, sleeving etc. from good ole' England today! That was fast! Funny, receiving stuff from Great Britain, Japan etc. is always faster than USA. Must get tied up at Customs.
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Check out this site for parts.
http://www.vintageconnections.com/ (http://www.vintageconnections.com/)
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Check out this site for parts.
http://www.vintageconnections.com/ (http://www.vintageconnections.com/)
Gotta love a company on the internet that only ships to specific countries. Come on now. lol WWW stands for World WIDE Web. ;)
Effective 9/12/12: We No Longer Ship to Canada
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Why do you thaink the do this wayne, what is the difference between posting to Canada or the rest of the world
Pete
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Pete. I have no idea. So many Ebay sellers will not ship here, many web sites. I don't get it. We ran an online business for years and shipped worldwide without a problem. It's funny, I contacted a seller recently about his loom wrap on Ebay to see if he had the correct width and if he did I would have a USA friend buy it as I was in Canada and his description said "no shipping to Canada". He responded by saying if I wanted the wider tape, which was all he had it would ship it to me no problem! lol I think you American's just hate our strong Canadian dollar! ;) Perhaps you think we don't have a mailbox outside of our igloo's? ;)
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You have an igloo? ;) Seriously, if you need someone to order something and send it to you I would be happy to help out.
Mark
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You have an igloo? ;) Seriously, if you need someone to order something and send it to you I would be happy to help out.
Mark
I might have to build one if this storm keeps up Mark! I had grass yesterday. This picture was taken 2 hours after cleaning the driveway out today! Not doing it again until the plow comes buy and tears up my lawn. :(
Thanks for the offer on shipping stuff. Steve and others have helped me out as well. Great Members on this site. :)
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Thanks to Mark prodding me a bit I decided to move ahead with a small project today...the 0400 wiring loom tag. The vinyl I purchased isn't 100% faithful to the original however it appears we may have seen different textures on various harnesses so I'm going with it. I a test run on my laser printer as I don't have a waterproof inkjet. Other than my not so straight cuts, I'm pleased. The font and logo are bang on to the original. I'll cut a sheet and see if any of my friends have an inkjet with some waterproof black ink. :) And yes, I'll cut the good one's straight and to the correct width! ;)
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After a nearly 3 year hiatus I have decided to return to my sandcast restoration 1682E/1630F. After following this site for the last few years I have learned a great deal and found out that many of the things that I thought would be quick and easy are anything but. That said, I have learned that the Yamiya wiring harness I bought right at the start is apparently wrong, although it was for a KO. Fortunately not too late to change. So now I see this tag numbered 300-0400 which matches the part number in the 69 parts list. Of course my tag is different , 300-0 00. Is this correct? This harness is very rough with cut wires. Do you buy a 300-050 (these seem to be available and how different are they?) and remark with this new tags or attempt to restore the original harness? Thanks for any help.
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Scroll down on this page and you will see the differences between a 0400 harness and one available from Yamiya. Your 00 harness is new to me, I'll leave that to the experts.
http://cb750sandcastonly.com/smf_forum/index.php?topic=335.150 (http://cb750sandcastonly.com/smf_forum/index.php?topic=335.150)
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I'm not exactly sure about the number of wires or that what I'm writing here is 100% correct but it is close. The early 050 wiring harness (the one after the 040 harness and not the later Honda 050 harness with the bar code parts label) has a few additional wires spliced into the loom. Several are for the pilot bulb (park bulb) which was a design requirement in at least some European countries such as Germany. Therefore the later 050 harness became the standard for all production. Countries that didn't require the pilot light etc just didn't use the additional wires in production.
The fact is, a 050 harness can be used without problem but given the anal nature of us all the simple fix is to unravel the 050 harness and remove the additional wires which are solder spliced into the loom, re-wrap the 050 harness replacing the 050 tag with you old 040 tag. Trouble is the 040 tag is usually war weary and in need of replacement. This is where Wayne's project will be invaluable to those who are wanting to go this route with a nice new shiny label.
As for the Yamiya harness, this is a reproduction and NOT a Honda harness I have one and what is seen in the pictures (follow the link Wayne has provided) is nothing like a Honda harness Even the later Honda harness has the black tubing which is absent from the Yamiya and other reproduction harnesses.
I'm sure others can add to these words as I haven't unpacked my spare harnesses to do the comparison but I did do it some years ago and this brief outline is what I recalled. As for the label without the 4, I don't have a clue ??? KP
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I thought I bought the Honda harness from Yamiya?? I could be wrong, I just added in when I bought some other stuff there. If the new Honda harness has the tubing that's the way to go. Open it up, remove unnecessary wires and wrap in a new 0400 label... :)
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Wayne, please show the job.
Riccardo
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OK, after tinkering and researching I'm thinking my laser printer might be the best route as it's truly a waterproof print. Laser printing prints the image onto paper by direct contact and heat, which fuses the ink to the paper. I managed to print to the vinyl sheet no problem. I ran a tag under water, rubbed it with my fingers and it didn't even phase it. My only thought was with an InkJet printer I might be able to print a darker bolder image...not sure, I don't have one to play with. Also inkjet waterproof ink is not really waterproof?? The tags would have to be coated with a sealant. SO!..here's what have. I have misplaced my old tag somewhere so the cut samples are not the perfect width however the font, spacing etc. is ALL faithful to my original tag. I checked that before I misplaced it. I know it's here in my messy office somewhere. My wife says it has to be as I never clean it! ;)
As you can see in the full sheet example I lose a bit of quality after the first 5 or so prints.
Any printing experts out there want to chime in? If anyone wants the file I'll gladly send it to you. It's a MS Word doc. email me at sandcast750@gmail.com
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OK, I have sent tags out to a couple of members and they pass they pass the smell test. ;) Thanks for the positive feedback. If anyone would like some 040 tags, email me with your full name and shipping address. It's not worth collecting money for what an envelope cost to send. We are enthusiasts here to help each other.
Send your info to:
sandcast750@gmail.com
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I'm having a bit of trouble getting good VIN tags printed off. The first few I sent out came out pretty nice. For some reason now my laser printer is printing lighter on the vinyl than on paper and I am not getting satisfactory results. Each one I try wastes a 8.5 x 11 sheet of vinyl. I'm going to get my hands on a inkjet with waterproof bold black ink and see how that works. Bear with me.
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OK, I got some decent prints using inkjet. Some learnings about ink being "waterproof". It isn't actually, it's dependent on what you print on. Kind of like juice or something. It will wipe off some things but locks into and stains a fabric permanently. Same concept.
So, long story short I have some very nice, bold tags printed that do not "run" when placed under a running faucet. As they are tucked away under the tank they should hold up pretty well from a UV degradation perspective. There are sprays out there for UV protection on vinyl sheets however they add a gloss or sheen to the label. I'll get sending ASAP. Sorry for the delay. If anyone would like the file to make your own please let me know. It's in MS Word. You have to use Word, not a free program to open it or it will change the formatting and it will not look "correct".
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Thanks for taking the time and trouble wayne
pete
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Starting sending loom tags July 2 2014. I'll get the rest sent over the next few days. Sorry for the delay folks. :)
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Hi all I recieved my loom tags from Wayne, WOW what a great job I am really impressed they are perfect, thank you very much Wayne for taking the time
Pete
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If I received an email from you with an address to send a loom tag it has been sent. Sorry for the delay. If it wasn't needing a new computer it was a printing issue.
If anyone else wants tags I have about 60 left.
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Wayne, Did you get my email? Thanks, Keith
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Wayne, Did you get my email? Thanks, Keith
Yes, finally sent Keith. Sorry for the delay.