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French Sandcasts / Re: Old member from France
« on: November 09, 2011, 11:50:21 am »
Steve, is it possible to move the previous discussions regarding the 'french sandcasts' to the new topic created by Wayne ?
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French Sandcasts / Re: Old member from France
« on: November 08, 2011, 07:19:23 am »
Hi KP, all the pics have been sent by one member of the Club. I've asked him to sent me more photographs of his sandcast bikes. I've also asked him to join the SOOC. You know, he has been a famous GP pilot in the years 70/80. And he's still a great pilot. His name is Guy Bertin. If you want to see him in action on a race track on his racing CB750 (built by himself from a CB750 K2), take a moment and have a look to this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o5n_Pc-BT0#
Impressive no ? All the other motorcycles in the video are racing GP motorcycles. The last but one he passes is a Yamaha OW31...
I also asked to others members to send me photographs of their 'french sandcasts'.
Can you please move the posts regarding this topic to the new topic 'french sandcasts' ? Thks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o5n_Pc-BT0#
Impressive no ? All the other motorcycles in the video are racing GP motorcycles. The last but one he passes is a Yamaha OW31...
I also asked to others members to send me photographs of their 'french sandcasts'.
Can you please move the posts regarding this topic to the new topic 'french sandcasts' ? Thks.
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French Sandcasts / Re: Old member from France
« on: November 04, 2011, 10:01:21 am »
Steve, thanks for the information regarding the fact that every CB750 has been built in Japan. I have to check this with the guy who told me the first CB750s were manually built in California.
You mentioned Bob Hansen in your mail. Do you know the story of the CR750 which won Daytona race drived by Dick Mann in '70 ? In 2003, it seems Bob has confirmed that this CR, located in France where it has been restored is the right one. But there is still a lot of discussion about it. Frame and many parts will be the good ones, not all of them. See the following link : http://www.daytona70.com/English/history.htm
Regarding the sandcast numbers over 7414, please have a look on these 3 pics :
1 bike : Frame #1017272 - Engine #1017417
1 bike : Frame #1017109 - Engine #1014170
1 engine #1017135
Digits types are the same on the three engines. So it seems these numbers have been engraved in the Honda factory.
You mentioned Bob Hansen in your mail. Do you know the story of the CR750 which won Daytona race drived by Dick Mann in '70 ? In 2003, it seems Bob has confirmed that this CR, located in France where it has been restored is the right one. But there is still a lot of discussion about it. Frame and many parts will be the good ones, not all of them. See the following link : http://www.daytona70.com/English/history.htm
Regarding the sandcast numbers over 7414, please have a look on these 3 pics :
1 bike : Frame #1017272 - Engine #1017417
1 bike : Frame #1017109 - Engine #1014170
1 engine #1017135
Digits types are the same on the three engines. So it seems these numbers have been engraved in the Honda factory.
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French Sandcasts / Re: Old member from France
« on: November 04, 2011, 07:07:28 am »
I asked pics to members of the Club. One of them owns 3 sandcasts over 7414: two bikes and one motor. I'll post them in the new topic 'french sandcasts' when received.
You know guys, I always been told that the 1000 first CB750 have been built in California by Honda America in 68/69. This is the reason why the numbers (frame and motors) start at 1000001 in the USA. However, french dealers and other dealers in Europe I guess, have received these early bikes (one per dealer) for demo purpose. I personally know one of this sandcast bike in France, given to Michel Rougerie (the pilot who won the first new Bol d'Or race in 69) by JAPAUTO (a famous dealer in Paris). The engine number is 1000313. The frame was interesting because we can see a steering damper fixation above the horn. The steering damper has finally never been installed by Honda on the CB750s.
According the parts list information, France received sandcasts from the frame number 1003495 in august/September 69. 543 sandcasts have been sold in 69. I suppose all the CB750 sold in France in 69 were sandcast models. I don't know when the first die cast has been sold.
You know guys, I always been told that the 1000 first CB750 have been built in California by Honda America in 68/69. This is the reason why the numbers (frame and motors) start at 1000001 in the USA. However, french dealers and other dealers in Europe I guess, have received these early bikes (one per dealer) for demo purpose. I personally know one of this sandcast bike in France, given to Michel Rougerie (the pilot who won the first new Bol d'Or race in 69) by JAPAUTO (a famous dealer in Paris). The engine number is 1000313. The frame was interesting because we can see a steering damper fixation above the horn. The steering damper has finally never been installed by Honda on the CB750s.
According the parts list information, France received sandcasts from the frame number 1003495 in august/September 69. 543 sandcasts have been sold in 69. I suppose all the CB750 sold in France in 69 were sandcast models. I don't know when the first die cast has been sold.
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French Sandcasts / Re: Old member from France
« on: November 03, 2011, 08:54:43 am »
Hello KP,
As you say, there is more than one sandcast bike in France with a motor number over 1007414. Personally, I know at least 5 or 6 CB750 like this, just in the Club. And most of them have a number around CB750E 10017xxx.
My explanation (this is only mine) is the following: Honda, during a short period (by the end of the year 69), should face with a lack of diecast crankcases on the CB750 production lines, due to the incredible (and not anticipated) demand of CB750 all around the world. So, I suppose that, as the subcontracting diecast crankcases manufacturers (or Honda itself) couldn't satisfy to the demand during this period, Honda decided to put on the production lines all the sandcast crankcases they have in stock during a very short time. May be this is the reason why we found here in France (why only in France ?) a lot of sandcast CB750 models over 1007414.
Anyway, I've been asked inside the Club to investigate this point and I will try to do it by contacting Honda France. I'll inform you as soon as possible.
As you say, there is more than one sandcast bike in France with a motor number over 1007414. Personally, I know at least 5 or 6 CB750 like this, just in the Club. And most of them have a number around CB750E 10017xxx.
My explanation (this is only mine) is the following: Honda, during a short period (by the end of the year 69), should face with a lack of diecast crankcases on the CB750 production lines, due to the incredible (and not anticipated) demand of CB750 all around the world. So, I suppose that, as the subcontracting diecast crankcases manufacturers (or Honda itself) couldn't satisfy to the demand during this period, Honda decided to put on the production lines all the sandcast crankcases they have in stock during a very short time. May be this is the reason why we found here in France (why only in France ?) a lot of sandcast CB750 models over 1007414.
Anyway, I've been asked inside the Club to investigate this point and I will try to do it by contacting Honda France. I'll inform you as soon as possible.
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French Sandcasts / Old member from France
« on: November 03, 2011, 07:18:40 am »
Hi all, my name is Philippe from France. I've been registered on the site for several years. I think I spent more time on the roads with my CB750 that on the web during these last years.... I also got very busy these 5 last years. Anyway, I'm happy now to join this forum.
I've been lucky when I bought my CB750 25 years ago. It was a sandcast model from October 69 - frame #3769 motor #3869. This bike was certainly one of the first 300 CB750 sent in France by Honda Corp in 1969. I didn't restore it, just done a new paint. The original color was candy red, but I wanted it candy gold. Since the 20 last years, I've changed some parts (exhaust pipes, shock absorbers, some parts in the motor and used parts ...), but it was normal when riding thousand and thousand miles each year. As you know, this is not a problem with this bike. With some Club's members (I'm the President of the french CB750 Club), we ride at least 2 or 3000 miles per year during our outing.
We have a lot of competencies in the Club regarding CB750s in general and K0/early bikes in particular and if we can help anyone, it will be with pleasure (I think to Maurizio from Tuscany...!).
Please, find attached a pic from my bike, after a 1200 kms ride in south of France last September (the rear tyre was out of order but has been changed after the ride....).
A bientot,
Phil
I've been lucky when I bought my CB750 25 years ago. It was a sandcast model from October 69 - frame #3769 motor #3869. This bike was certainly one of the first 300 CB750 sent in France by Honda Corp in 1969. I didn't restore it, just done a new paint. The original color was candy red, but I wanted it candy gold. Since the 20 last years, I've changed some parts (exhaust pipes, shock absorbers, some parts in the motor and used parts ...), but it was normal when riding thousand and thousand miles each year. As you know, this is not a problem with this bike. With some Club's members (I'm the President of the french CB750 Club), we ride at least 2 or 3000 miles per year during our outing.
We have a lot of competencies in the Club regarding CB750s in general and K0/early bikes in particular and if we can help anyone, it will be with pleasure (I think to Maurizio from Tuscany...!).
Please, find attached a pic from my bike, after a 1200 kms ride in south of France last September (the rear tyre was out of order but has been changed after the ride....).
A bientot,
Phil
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