Vic World selling Pre-Production Bike

[vnz00]

Its in nice shape - truly the holy grail.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-HONDA-SANDCAST-CB750-CB-750-VERY-RARE-PROTOTYPE-/331119391316?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d1840f254

[Sam]

Wow, so I guess this is Sandcast number -4!! Now that is a low number machine! 

[kmb69]

Wow! Just WOW!

Any guess on reserve after the $75K comment?

Guessing it will go for OVER $100K

[kmb69]

What happened? It's gone! 

Did anybody get a copy of the listing and/or the pictures?

Bummer, I had already called my financial advisor and told him to get ready for a major investment. 

[vnz00]

I noticed the same thing - been checking on it here and there through the day.
Its strange - the listing is completely gone.  Normally if an auction is pulled it will still be available to view and just say its no longer available.

I wonder if it sold.

[Wayne]

Damn! I was going to copy down pictures, went back and it was gone!

[Sam]

I managed to get all of the pictures and the description. Happy to share them!

[kmb69]

Sending PM with personal email. Would love to have a copy for sure.

I have an archive of most Sandcasts that have been on eBay for the last several years. Was in the process of grabbing this one when I was interupted by my wife. Came back - GONE!

[kmb69]

Sam,

They are awesome! Thank God somebody was on the ball and preserved some of this unique bike.

Thank you very much,
Keith

[Sam]

For anyone who would like these pics (74 of them) and the description, please PM me with your email address and I'll be happy to send them to you.

With Vic's permission, I would be happy to host the images so everyone can see them.

[CBman]

Do you know why this auction had ended earlier ? If even VIC ends his auctions earlier, so who can we believe in ?

[CBman]

Hi Ujeni,
thanks for the pictures. This prototype is the same as was talked about (and pictured) on SOHC4 forum in 2007. If I remember it well, some guy had bought it from Honda dealer (his friend) who call him, that somebody came to them and asked them if they want to buy his bike. Maybe he didn´t know what bike he really had. If the previous owner saw this Ebay listing with its price he should gone mad..... Sometimes crazy things happen.

[kp]

Kevin Dodge was the owner and the pictures of the bike were posted on this site. Kevin asked that they be removed some years back which they were. I do know Kevin had the bike for sale as I enquired about it at the time. I expect we will se the bike listed again on eBay.

[Steve Swan]

CB750-2113/CB750E-2113
Distinguishing Characteristics (partial list, as per Kevin Dodge, April 4, 2006)

1.   Chassis parts lighter gauge metal
2.   Frame tubing smaller diameter, entire frame different from Production
3   Fenders, front/rear, hand formed markings
4.   Upper triple clamp, no gusting on underside
5.   Front hub, inside, no circumferential fining
6.   Shocks, rear upper/lower hand machined
7.   Pins, seat, hand turned
8.   Caliper is sand cast, hand machined, casting numbers TML338
9.   Front & rear rims hand worked
10.   Front rim, center spoke rib, 2/3rds width of Production rib
11.   “DID” logo different from Production logo
12.   Transmission/alternator covers different
13.   Rear brake backing plate sand cast, hand machined, sides hand polished
14.   Gauges at different angle
15.   Oil line, stamped printing, yellow ink, “67/YRC/LP-size-8/4/67
16.   Chain adjusters different shape, screws hand machined
17.   LH side cover, black ink, stamped printing “700616.2”
18.   Back side of headlight lens chrome
19.   Master cylinder sand cast, hand machined, one 6mm clamp bolt instead of two
20.   Ignition switch number - T4645
21.   5,254 miles on odometer, 108 miles on tripmeter
22.   Rear brake, lever, backing plate longer & narrower
23.   Heat shields, muffler, 2-piece
24.   Blinkers, rear, mount directly to fender
25.   Headlight, “H20-4M”
26.   Latch, seat, square locking pin, plastic, clear
27.   Fender, rear, longer & mounts different to frame
28.   Sub-fender, short, black, plastic
29.   Carburetor, manifold side, hand machined brass tubes pressed in carb bodies
30.   Rack holding individual carbs hand machined
31.   Air box, front side, rubber intake snorkels
32.   Carburetor, vent cross-over pipes, brass, hand machined
33.   Petcock, gas, outlets exit rear of body
34.   Tank, gas, tunnel square, one small wrinkle
35.   Switch gear, RH/LH, opposite sides from Production
36.   Starter/Dipper switch, no kill knob, unfinished aluminum
37.   Tank, gas, pin stripes, radius front corners,  not 90 degrees
38.   Cap, oil tank, aluminum, hand machined
39.   Choke lever, stamped flat stock
40.   Tail light, bracket, hand pressed markings
41.   Pan, seat, hole number/sizes, smaller & larger, different layout configuration
42.   No clear plastic coat on aluminum engine/chassis parts
43.   Tank, oil, hand formed markings
44.   Gas cap, latch, thumb release, twice size of Production
45.   VIN, Brighton bike, CB750-2110
46.   Cable, earth, hand made
47.   All engine castings different
49.   Neutral indicator light smaller diameter
50.   Brake line, upper, steel pipe
51.   Cap, master cylinder, hand machined, top recessed, not flat
52.   Release handle, seat latch, wider than Production
53.   Carburetor, top caps, sand cast
54.   Throttle cable, cable adjusters, top cap,
55.   Cover, starter cover, 6mm studs screwed into crankcase
56.   Frame, mounting, front brake disc, hand machined
57.   Sliders, aluminum, fork, hand machined   
58.   Bracket, mounting, horn, two 90’ bends, not flat
59.   Mufflers, end view, square “D” shape
60.   Plug, plastic, key, red
61.   Lift handle, has 90’ at rear frame mount
62.   Shocks, rear, lower bodies longer
63.   Cable, speedometer, ring nut larger diameter
64.   Brackets, engine mount, different size & shape
65.   Nuts, fork, oil filler, hand machined, flat head, no radius
66.   “8” bolts on kick start lever, lower shock clevis’s
67.   Cylinder head & cylinder rough sandcast
68.   Cam cover more radiused, deeper set valve clearance inspection caps
69.   Smooth oil filter cover, finished in clear
70.     Center stand similar to CB450 type, no “C” hook for spring
71.   Side stand spring has round ends
72.     Grey speedometer cable, knurled not fixes to drive, same as top
73.   Gas tank badges not solid, can see through between letters
74.   Fuel tank has more acute radius, tunnel square, no wrinkles
75.   Crank cases bear no resemblance to Production cases
76.   Oil pan is huge, w/ drain plug facing back at 45 degrees
77.   Airbox made of fiberglass cloth
78.   Carburetor bodies sand cast
79.   Muffler heat shields 2 piece
80.   Mirror type not acorn nut, adjustment like K1
81.   Wiring harness has 300 pn, grey connector for ignition switch
82.   Oil tank has 14mm drain hex head screw
83.   Cable sheaths for carbs smaller gauge than Early Production
84.   Carb cable junction splits 1-2, then splits again 2-4
85.   Numerals on speedo/tach different shades of green from each instrument & not    same shade green as Production instruments, (lighter, mint colour)
86.   Fork tube top nuts’ hex heads larger than Production,  hex heads overlap fork ears,    must  remove nuts to remove ears
87.   Jewels for Neutral & Oil Pressure lights on opposite sides from Production
88.   Jewels for speedo much smaller diameter than Production
89.   Clamp holding on speedo/tach one piece, silver colour

[Steve Swan]

the fab 4