Owners manual

[Sgt.Pinback]

I have a 69-12 owners manual.

There are "x" marks on top of some pages but otherwise it is in good condition.

I´m not selling it but would like to trade it with an earlier version. Perfect would be 69-7 or even earlier.

Actually, I dont know what earlier version exist ?

[Sgt.Pinback]

Just lookiing at the pics.... why does this bike has two throttle cable and a flat seat?

[4pots1969]

Just lookiing at the pics.... why does this bike has two throttle cable and a flat seat?

This is because they have used a prototype model to make the photos like on the workshop manual ... The double cable reveals most certainly carburetor has rudders as on the prototype of the Tokyo Salon.
This is certainly the prototype with the long course engine subsequently abandoned for the super square engine ...

[Erling]

How do you detect a flat seat in that picture?
Where do you see a date on/for your owners manual?
It looks exactly like mine. Honda from mid august ´69.
Frame 1676.
Frankly speaking never looked close enough to see 2 cable throttle!
But changed over when the chance came my way to have a set.
Knew from road test in magazines then, they told original model had.
Like BMW side car racers at world championships.
I used to go round Europa to watch races in those days.
Erling.

[kp]

Also has a K1 tank trim, solid brake line, odd disc caliper, funny clutch cover, K1 mirror, odd side covers, odd alternator cover and other stuff. Maybe its a pre production or a very good drawing Either way, it's not a production bike
The early seats were in fact much flatter than later seats

[Sgt.Pinback]

Do all US KO owners manuals show that bike?

The German manual shows a "correct" KO (in German/Dutch spec)

[Sgt.Pinback]

How do you detect a flat seat in that picture?
Where do you see a date on/for your owners manual?
It looks exactly like mine. Honda from mid august ´69.
Frame 1676.

I would say the passenger place is much more flatter.

Date is on the back side in the right bottom corner. See pic.

Would be interesting to know what date yours is (if it is the manual # 1676 originally came with)

[4pots1969]

Uli, you're right... the seat of manual 69.12 is a plate galette like on the model of pre-production...

[Steve Swan]

all the USA pre-k1 manuals showed an interation of a late pre-production bike.  the reason i say iteration is the horn and the throttle cables seen on the early owner manuals was a two-cable setup coming off the handlebar, suggesting a push-pull type throttle setup.  other differences of the bike seen in the manual are a horn without chrome cover, very different side covers. these features are different than the actual blue-green pre-production bike CB750-2113/CB750E-2113.

the earliest print date i have seen on an USA owner's manual is 69.5

[Sgt.Pinback]

Odd, they never changed that and there are some more pics from that pre-production bike (carbs, kill switch ...) to be found.

[Steve Swan]

what you see in owner's manuals may not even be photographs of actual motorcycles.  these "motorcycles" could very likely be artistic depictions, such as a sketch of a photograph.  the so called motorcycle in the USA manual appears to be an early pre-production unit, but the side cover badges are late pre-production.   i feel "pictures" such as seen in front page of owner's manual are entertaining, but not reliable to form or draw any conclusions of what a production motorcycle is supposed to look like. 

[rickhahn]

The motorcycle used in these pictures is the same bike as the showed to the world in the 1968 Tokyo motor show .

[Erling]

Sorry, never noticed that date, but it is like Steve Swan says 69. 5.
Erling.

[Steve Swan]

The motorcycle used in these pictures is the same bike as the showed to the world in the 1968 Tokyo motor show .

How do you know the bikes are the same bikes ? 

or do you mean the bikes "appear" to be the same bikes ?

[Sgt.Pinback]

Sorry, never noticed that date, but it is like Steve Swan says 69. 5.
Erling.

Congrats and thanks for info. And good for you to know.

Do you know if exactly this 69.5 manual came with your # 1676?
(Mine is # 1983 so that would be the one I have to look for)