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This could be engine covers, fork lowers or wheel hubs.  I saw some pics of some fork lowers on the SOHC4 site that look as close to original as I've ever seen.  He sanded them with wet or dry sandpaper starting with 400 and finished with 1200 (I assume wet).  No polishing wheel.  They had a very correct looking brushed finish.  Then he had them clear powder coated.  Anyone done this?  Any concerns: sticking, cracking, yellowing, especially on the engine covers?  If I tried it and it didn't look good how hard is it to remove?
Mark

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Paint - Badges and Component Refinishing / Side cover date codes
« on: November 11, 2012, 01:43:37 pm »
I did a search on this but didn't find much.  Were all sandcast sidecovers date stamped? Does anyone know the coding system?  How about pictures of actual stamps?
Mark

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I have some early sandcast oil lines (rubber hoses) that are usable but the metal ferrules are a little rusty and need some restoring.  I’m thinking the easiest solution would be to soda blast the aluminum fittings and steel ferrules and then mask and paint the ferrules.  Any recommendations on paint that will look like zinc plating?

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Gauges - Levers and Cables / Reproduction early tach and speedo cables
« on: October 28, 2012, 01:45:33 pm »
After looking for a while, I finally located my early cables with the short nuts.  (Another story, I've got too much stuff in too many different places.  Not enough room in any one place so I got a storage locker where I'm consolidating everything except what I'm working on at the shop). 

Anyway, does anyone know if there are differences between early and late cables besides the length of the knurled nuts?  With a quick look that's all that I saw.  Here's what I'm thinking.  There is at least one company that makes up cables.  If I could supply them with correct nuts it seems like it wouldn't be a problem to get a batch made (or if they had a drawing maybe they could do it all).  According to the distinctions list they were used up to VIN 2157 so I think there would be a pretty good demand.  When I get a chance I'm going to look at them more closely.

I probably could use the set I have on #97, they're just OK, but I've got a couple other VINs under 2157 so I could use a couple of sets.  Who would be interested in a set?  Unless there are other major difference this shouldn't be nearly as big a project as the mirror stems.

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Scammers and Forgeries / Another scam??
« on: October 11, 2012, 03:25:02 pm »
Has anyone seen this auction?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CB750-69-70-SANDCAST-2965-POLISHED-FRONT-END-Forks-Stem-Top-UNICORN-Tree-TITLE-/230834379914?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35becd1c8a
Another offering from theyankeepicker, seller of the now-famous frame #5337.  
Does it look authentic?  Specifically the lowers.  Is there a difference between early and later ones?  He claims these parts were taken off #2965 to be replaced with GSXR forks.  ??? I'm not sure what those are but if you really had #2965 why would you do that anyway?  Is there something fishy here?

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I'm looking at the finish on #97 and thinking it may be too glossy and I'm considering having it repainted.  I figure that the seat pan is probably a good area to look for a finish, that's undamaged from the elements, to try to match.  Anyone know if they had same paint?

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Warning: Anal Alert!

Have you ever got your parts back from the plater and picked up a washer and wondered where it was used?  There are approximately 350 washers (flat, lock, special) on a CB750.  About 125 of those are the 6mm (94101-06000) & 8mm (94101-08000) thin (Form B) flat washers.  Even these washers are somewhat special.  The standard 6mm & 8mm washer that you can buy in the US are twice as thick.  Anyway, the remaining 225 or so is made up of over 40 different sizes and shapes, some there are only one of.

A few years back, on my first restoration, I didn’t pay much attention when I took apart the bike and threw all the parts in a can for plating.  When I got them back it was the washers that drove me the craziest.  I actually bought one of many of the different sizes just so I could identify what was what.  It was then that I started putting all the size info on a spreadsheet so I could easily identify each part.  I have since paid closer attention to where the parts came from and did a sheet for screws, nuts and pins & spacers.  By the way, there are approximately 450 screws, 120 nuts and 100 pins & spacers.

Not all of these pieces are plated.  And some of them I don’t bother plating when I can buy them, especially in bulk like the 6mm & 8mm washers.  But some of the washers, larger nuts, spacers, etc., are hard or impossible to find or they are expensive to buy individually and replating makes sense.  In any case, these spreadsheets have been helpful for me and I decided to post them because they might be helpful for someone else.

Now a disclaimer: I tried to make them as accurate as possible but I still occasionally find a mistake, so use them at your own risk.  They will be the most helpful for restorations, especially sandcasts as most of the info came from two early sandcasts, one that had been worked on with missing parts and the other pretty complete and original.  I know that some of the parts are different on other sandcasts and especially later models, for instance some of the screw lengths are different on the K0 valve cover.  I always make sure there is adequate length and that the screws aren’t bottoming out in the holes when reassembling.  

That said there is still plenty of good info there for early K models too.  For example, if you want to compile a list of all the cross-type cap screws to change them to socket heads, this would be a good place to start.  Or if you have a bit you can’t identify you should be able to find it.  I also use them to keep track of what I have so I can figure out what I need to buy.

I tried to list substitutes where possible, superseded parts, where they’re used and other notes so they got kinda large.  That’s not a problem for me because I have a printer that can print on 11” x 17” paper but once you copy them you can change them to suit your needs.

I will try to keep them up to date and add info when I can.  If you see a mistake or have some info to add please let me know and I will make updates.  Hopefully they will be helpful for some one.

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Engine Mechanical / Differences in cylinder studs?
« on: January 21, 2012, 01:14:55 pm »
Looking at my parts books I see that there are three versions of the two studs, -020, -030 and -040.  After deciding I’d like to use correct studs on E100, I found twelve 90033-300-030 studs (Bolt A, “long”) and four of the discontinued 90034-300-040 studs (Bolt B, “short”).  I compared them to the 2+ sets I had (less than 3 because I threw some broken ones) and saw that I had some that were thicker.  They measured about 6.1mm (.240”) and the new ones were about 5.6mm (.220”).  The thicker ones were definitely in worse condition (corroded) than the rest and after looking at pictures of my teardowns they are definitely off of E100.  So the thinner ones came from E1490 and E5491.  I haven’t removed the studs from E1789 and they’re thin too.  By the way, Wayne confirmed that his studs on E748 were also thin.

Then looking at the ones I bought I observed that the -030 longs were not plated and the -040 shorts were plated.  So I’m thinking that maybe the -020’s were thick, the -030’s were thin and not plated and the -040’s were thin and plated.  I kept looking and I happened to find another source that had 90033-300-020 studs and some more 90034-300-040 studs.  The -020’s (long) were in original Honda packaging so I am assuming they are correct earliest studs.  Ten of them were in the original paper in the bag and two were added to the bag.


But when I measured them they were thin too.  On top of that the -040’s (short) were not plated like my other -040’s were.  So much for my theory!  The good news is this second set I bought are in excellent condition (not a speck of rust) and they average closer to 5.7mm diameter and their unplated finish match even though they’re -020’s and -040’s.  I’m planning on using those on E100.

So my conclusions are:
1. The -020’s I got are most likely to be a correct part.  The other -030’s and -040’s didn’t come in a numbered pack so who knows what number they really are.
2.  E100 had been rebuilt with 1mm oversize pistons so maybe a non-stock heavier stud was also used.
3.  Early studs were not plated, later studs were plated.

Has anyone else noticed any differences in the studs?

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I'd like to take one apart and clean and regrease it.  Has anyone ever done this?  It looks like there is a set screw that holds a cap on the end opposite where the cable goes in.  Also are the seals obtainable?
Mark

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Exhaust / Question about early type (fat) exhaust clamps
« on: January 02, 2012, 07:29:28 pm »
I'm looking at the picture of the clamps on the following link and I trying to figure out where the clamps are shaved to clear the fins on the head.  
http://www.cb750sandcastonly.com/support23.htm
I've got a set of clamps that are definately fat but when I compare them I can't see any difference.  Are all fat clamps shaved?  What am I missing?
Thanks,
Mark


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Engine Mechanical / Oil Gallery Plug Under Transmission Cover?
« on: December 18, 2011, 04:27:19 pm »
There's an interesting discussion going on at the SOHC4 site regarding this topic.  Take a look at the hole (circled in red) and tell me if you ever saw a plug for this hole.

Here's a link to the thread:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=99721.0
It has me really curious.

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I thought Wayne had asked this question but I searched and couldn't find it.  I know the adjustment screws are zinc but how about the choke lever and linkage?  If it isn't zinc plated what is it?
Mark

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Engine Mechanical / Heavy Duty Cylinder Studs OK On "Correct" Restoration?
« on: December 16, 2011, 05:02:53 pm »
I've been mulling this over for a while and now that I'm sorting through everything for plating I should make a decision on whether or not to replate my studs.  For #5383 and my K0 I used the APE heavy duty cylinder studs and the head gasket and o-rings as recommended in Honda Service Bulliten #42, http://data.sohc4.net/SB750/750_42.pdf, to improve my odds of not having an oil leak.  So far, so good on those.  But on #97 I've taken great pains to keep everything as correct as possible like the 10mm rotor bolt on the crank, stock bore, etc., so would I be making a mistake by installing the heavy duty studs?  Another way to ask it may be would you pay more for it with or without the HD studs, gasket and 0-rings?  I've said this before, I probably won't be putting a lot of miles on it so maybe the oil leak thing is a moot point anyway.
Thanks,
Mark

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I’m going through my parts to get everything ready for plating for #97.  Can I get you experts to scrutinize this list and make sure I have everything correct for chrome?  I don’t need all of these pieces chromed but I figured I might as well make a complete check list.

Here's my edited list (4/28/15):

Seat strap clips and screws
Front brake hose bracket
Point cover
Clutch adjusting cover
Starting motor cover
Gear shift arm and bolt
Kick starter joint
Kick starter arm and bolt
Mirrors & nuts
Handlebar
Front fender & stays
Rear fender
Fuel cap & check
Mufflers
Rear Brake Arm
Rear Brake Pedal
Chain Adjusters
Front & Rear Rims
Side Grip
Rear Shock Covers & Springs
Brackets & Bottom Plates for Tach & Speedo
Headlight Rim & Retaining Ring
Turn signal bases
Fork boot bottom collar
Fork cap bolts
Steering stem nut & washer
Shafts & washers for turn signals on headlight bucket
Tail light base & number plate bracket
Ignition switch washer
Cap nuts and washer for top rear shocks
All bolts, washers & nuts for the handle bar clamps & top bridge
Brake line screws for banjo ends (before VIN 2720)
Six bolts for brake disc
Front fender stay mounting oval head screws
Swing arm pivot bolt and self locking nut
Bolts, washers & nuts for mounting turn signal bases on stems
Lower shock mounting bolts
Kick starter knuckle pin
Clutch & brake lever pivot bolts & nuts
Exhaust pipe joints
Exhaust pipe flanges
Rear axle, washer & nut
Clamps & screws for rubbers from head to carbs (carbs to air box zinc)
Horn
Caliper Adjusting Spring
So by default I believe this means that everything else that's shiny and not aluminum is zinc plated.  Thanks for taking the time to check this out.  Maybe this will be helpful for someone else (whose anal too).

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