The Sandcast after The Sandcast... A myth?? No, just a reality!!

[4pots1969]

Thank you very much KP & Steve for the nice comments!!

[4pots1969]

If we join all those engine numbers for the 14000 and 17000 we have a total of 32 machines that follow for the 14000 and 299 machines that follow for the 17000 series for a total of 331 machines !!
It is quite possible that all the numbers follow in casings Sandcast ... But just a hypothesis ...

E-1014138/VIN-1014046 ??
E-1014143/VIN-1014060
E-1014149/VIN-1014014
E-1014170/VIN-1017109
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E-1017118/VIN-1041129
E-1017135/ -----------
E-1017196/VIN-1016877
E-1017199/VIN-1016882
E-1017417/VIN-1017272

[Erling]

Steve Swan asks for talks with contemporary staff or dealer.
Dealer is long gone. At the time I had no idea what happened would be history in the future!
But he who rode my SC for check up by authorities is still around.
We are a group who meet every wednesday evening to exchange "lie stories"
But what happened then was apparently just every day honda work!
At least one more of the 5 that came was licensed here in København.
I met it once in the day but never since.
And friend has no recollection of anything but my specific bike.
It's just we were friends then as we are today 47 years later.
He indeed it was he to come and set me up with computer years ago.
Erling.

[CBman]

Hi Gerard,
thanks for images, I missed these on the beginning.
I would understand, if Honda will use sandcast cases which were left in Honda stock. But I´m still wondering while Honda will produce another clutch case 9/10.
Your theory of 300 bikes produced in begiining of 14xxx and beginning of 17xxx seems to be most reasonable.

[4pots1969]

Hi Gerard,
thanks for images, I missed these on the beginning.
I would understand, if Honda will use sandcast cases which were left in Honda stock. But I´m still wondering while Honda will produce another clutch case 9/10.
Your theory of 300 bikes produced in begiining of 14xxx and beginning of 17xxx seems to be most reasonable.

Hi John,
Why you say "seems to be most reasonable"??
Nobody ever talked about precise amount for "Sandcast French" period after it seems to me ... Anyway not me ...

[Steve Swan]

Another French Sandcasts E-1017196 here are the pictures..

The list goes slowly but surely!!

E-1014138/VIN-1014046 ?? (Very strong suspicions that the 1st engine of origin was an sandcast..)
E-1014143/VIN-1014060
E-1014149/VIN-1014014
E-1014170/VIN-1017109 (no matching numbers)
E-1017118/VIN-1041129 (no matching numbers)
E-1017135/  no frame
E-1017196/VIN-1016877
E-1017199/VIN-1016882
E-1017417/VIN-1017272

i'm looking at your list again, very interesting.

do you know or have you met any of the owners of these vins ?

if i understand correctly, you have not seen any of these machines ?

are these machines all in France ?

would it be possible for you to make contact with any of the  owners to see if these machines have wrinkle tanks and 41xxx is made of sandcast cases ?

Gerard, are the 41,129 cases in frame 17118 sandcast ?

the reason i am asking, it would be wonderful if you could see wrinkle tanks on a the 17xxx and 16xxx vins of better yet wrinkle taks on all the vins

[4pots1969]

Steve, E-1017118 and #1041129 are my numbers from my "bike"
I bought this frame # 1041129 E-17118 with the engine that was with
The guy who sold me told me it was not the original engine, but that I told him I already knew...
So that I end up with a sandcast engine with a frame that does not match the original.
And I know it's not ideal...but it is better than the opposite in my opinion...

[Steve Swan]

Gerard, is it possible for you to see some of these other French sandcasts ?

[4pots1969]

Gerard, is it possible for you to see some of these other French sandcasts ?

Steve,
Unfortunately, I have nothing more about the French Sandcasts because most of the time such information and such pictures were recovered with great difficulty due to the reluctance of some owners to participate ... I do not understand? Maybe the mistrust?...

For E-14149 I took these photos because I had to buy him following an announcement but the owner was very nervous and very indecisive and he gave up the sale, I can understand ...

I will post as soon as I have more information.

[Steve Swan]

Gerard, good luck, i hope you can see some of them someday.  i believe we will learn some interesting and valuable information from these machines.

[Aurelia B20]

I was with my friend Franck in 2013 when he bought such a 750, sandcast engine #1 017 417, and I can say that the tank was not wrinkled !

I don't remind the VIN number of that bike, but it seems to me that it was not 1 017 272 as listed above, I can ask him a picture and others pictures if you are interested by some details 

[Steve Swan]

Thanks, Patrick !  very interesting !

[Aurelia B20]

Some pics of this bike I already had in my PC :








That CB750 was sold new in Lyon (France) by Pithioud, and customized by its owner with Melber rims and oil thermometer.

What pictures of details did you want Steve ?

[kp]

Wow! Some really interesting details on this bike. Single cut front guard, cream coloured horn, twin disc set, small kick rubber, larger master cylinder for the twin disc setup, paragraph pipes
We would love to see the Frame stamps if possible Thanks for sharing

[4pots1969]

Patrick, thank you for sharing pictures.
Yes, many parts are not original as the KP remark.
Even the exhaust apparently... The molding K1 on the tank could also mean that it is not its original gas tank but hey that's just an assumption because we certainly will ever know ...
As against what is very interesting is that we have a confirmation of clutch cover 9/10, specific to these French Sandcasts... I was not able to post the cover photo at the time because the former owner had not sent me ... So it's all very consistent and that's a good thing...