Honda CB750 Sandcast

The Sandcast after The Sandcast... A myth?? No, just a reality!!

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Reply #15 on: April 07, 2016, 11:29:35 am
truely amazing gerard, how do you find these machines
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Reply #16 on: April 08, 2016, 02:00:32 am
Another French sandcast : 16877 - E17196

A nice bike with some details that are not K0, for sale now in France, asking price 19 500 €, that seems to me a little high !

edit : corrected engine number, thanks 4pots1969, my mistake !
« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 07:08:40 am by Aurelia B20 »
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Reply #17 on: April 08, 2016, 02:39:20 am
Quote from: Aurelia B20 on April 08, 2016, 02:00:32 am
Another French sandcast : 16877 - E17116

A nice bike with some details that are not K0, for sale now in France, asking price 19 500 €, that seems to me a little high !

How many CB750 K0 (sand/diecast) had been sold 1969/1970 in France .... 200?
Cheers, Uli (Leonberg, Germany)

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Reply #18 on: April 08, 2016, 02:51:42 am
K0 French sales :
543 in 1969
1250 in 1970
total : 1793

Worldwide sales : near 53 000
« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 02:53:39 am by Aurelia B20 »
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Reply #19 on: April 08, 2016, 05:06:47 am
Quote from: Aurelia B20 on April 08, 2016, 02:00:32 am
Another French sandcast : 16877 - E17116

A nice bike with some details that are not K0, for sale now in France, asking price 19 500 €, that seems to me a little high !

The guy is wrong in his ad "Leboncoin" , it is not yet E-1017116 but E-1017196... Already listed.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2016, 04:43:34 pm by 4pots1969 »

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Reply #20 on: April 08, 2016, 05:13:35 am
Quote from: Aurelia B20 on April 08, 2016, 02:51:42 am
K0 French sales :
543 in 1969
1250 in 1970
total : 1793

Worldwide sales : near 53 000

Yes, 543 Sandcast in 1969 and 1250 K0 Diecast in 1970 for France excluding Sandcast after 7414... I think we should not be far from the 700 !!
I do not know the number of Sandcast for Japan? Who know?
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Reply #21 on: April 08, 2016, 06:59:11 am
Quote from: Aurelia B20 on April 08, 2016, 02:51:42 am
K0 French sales :
543 in 1969
1250 in 1970
total : 1793

Worldwide sales : near 53 000

Oh, thats quite a lot.

Germany 1969/1970: 503 CB750 but including K1 (!)

Cheers, Uli (Leonberg, Germany)

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Reply #22 on: April 27, 2016, 11:34:15 pm
Quote from: 4pots1969 on April 06, 2016, 02:22:18 pm
Another French Sandcasts E-1017196 here are the pictures..

The list goes slowly but surely!!

E-1014138/VIN-1014046 ?? (Very strong suspicions that the 1st engine of origin was an sandcast..)
E-1014143/VIN-1014060
E-1014149/VIN-1014014
E-1014170/VIN-1017109 (no matching numbers)
E-1017118/VIN-1041129 (no matching numbers)
E-1017135/  no frame
E-1017196/VIN-1016877
E-1017199/VIN-1016882
E-1017417/VIN-1017272



Gerard, PHENOMENAL  !!!!  Have you been able to discover any information about the origin of these machines ?

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Reply #23 on: April 28, 2016, 05:46:09 am
Quote from: Steve Swan on April 27, 2016, 11:34:15 pm
Quote from: 4pots1969 on April 06, 2016, 02:22:18 pm
Another French Sandcasts E-1017196 here are the pictures..

The list goes slowly but surely!!

E-1014138/VIN-1014046 ?? (Very strong suspicions that the 1st engine of origin was an sandcast..)
E-1014143/VIN-1014060
E-1014149/VIN-1014014
E-1014170/VIN-1017109 (no matching numbers)
E-1017118/VIN-1041129 (no matching numbers)
E-1017135/  no frame
E-1017196/VIN-1016877
E-1017199/VIN-1016882
E-1017417/VIN-1017272



Gerard, PHENOMENAL  !!!!  Have you been able to discover any information about the origin of these machines ?

The origin? the Japan!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seriously, I do not know more ...
But for the quantity I can say without too much wrong ... what could be of the order of 100 more 300 ex more ... even though I know I'll get me the thunder on me !!
Of course we will never have the certainty because it is SANDCAST...
« Last Edit: April 28, 2016, 06:08:31 am by 4pots1969 »

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Reply #24 on: April 28, 2016, 09:36:59 am
Gerard, do you know where these bikes wold have come in to France in 1970 ?  who was the French distributor or major dealer ?

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Reply #25 on: April 28, 2016, 12:01:51 pm
Quote from: Steve Swan on April 28, 2016, 09:36:59 am
Gerard, do you know where these bikes wold have come in to France in 1970 ?  who was the French distributor or major dealer ?

The bikes from Japan go to Havre (largest seaport customs clearance) and are then delivered to the Importer JAPAUTO-FRANCE in Paris who distributed them in turn to different Honda dealerships across France.
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Reply #26 on: April 28, 2016, 01:34:15 pm
Gerard, Japauto never was a Honda importer, he was only a dealer, Honda bikes were imported by Honda France and sold by a large dealership network in France.

First exclusive importer in France was "Ets Psalty" in Paris, in 1961, under the direction of "European Honda Motor Trading Gmbh" established in Hamburg (Germany). Honda France was created in Paris in 1964, Psalty lost partially his exclusivity in 1965, and totally in 1967.
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Reply #27 on: April 28, 2016, 03:06:17 pm
Thanks for the correction !! ;)

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Reply #28 on: April 28, 2016, 03:25:58 pm
D'accord avec Patrick

l'importateur a partir de 1967 a eté Honda France a Bagnolet.
Honda Japauto ( Mr Villaseca) était concesionnaire

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Reply #29 on: April 28, 2016, 05:47:57 pm
Quote from: Aurelia B20 on April 28, 2016, 01:34:15 pm
Gerard, Japauto never was a Honda importer, he was only a dealer, Honda bikes were imported by Honda France and sold by a large dealership network in France.

First exclusive importer in France was "Ets Psalty" in Paris, in 1961, under the direction of "European Honda Motor Trading Gmbh" established in Hamburg (Germany). Honda France was created in Paris in 1964, Psalty lost partially his exclusivity in 1965, and totally in 1967.

Who is oldest Honda dealer in France ?

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